I think it was "you've seen most of it now," I took it as both a faux-humble "oh this old place? it's not so huge" plus "you walked right in without knocking, wtf" and "there is no way in hell I'm giving you a tour."
also to the audience "it" meaning "Megan's hot bod"
― dmr, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
i might be especially dense, but from what angle could 'way to go, betty!' be a reaction to her, unprovoked, using her 12? yr old daughter to stir up shit w/ her ex husb?
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
the angle of valuing the truth over convenient lies, I guess
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
Don't think a fierce commitment to honesty was Betty's angle there dude
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
It's not really just a convenient lie. Don could go to jail.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
It def wasn't. didn't mean to imply it was an accurate reading.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
If I'm being kind to Betty I'd say that she could have been treated better by Don in the past, so has some right to feel wronged the relationship went bad. But she's not an entirely innocent party, and hurting 3 people – including your daughter – is definitely NAGL.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
Don treated her like shit. but the marriage is over, and it doesn't excuse this sort of petty manipulation.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
ha this flew right over my head at the time but it's great.
― ryan, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
Betty had a little moment of grace at the end of last season when she and Don were in the kitchen together before they sold the house. I think it felt like it was going to be okay, but I guess Betty's extreme fucked-up-ness crossed with her inability to realise that "having everything" in the narrow way she grew up expecting "everything" to be isn't necessarily awesome or worth aspiring to just made it go bad. Henry seems like a dude though, so I can't tell if she hates him or if he's a disappointment ("the wrong horse") or what.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
Henry does seem like a decent guy, but I think he has been a disappointment to Betty because she expected a new marriage to fix all of her problems and make her happy.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
I guess he's decent in the sense that he doesn't seem willfully malicious and is reasonably level-headed. otoh WASP Republicans who feel up pregnant married ladies are gross imho.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
it made for good drama!
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
He's been kinda prickish to Don on a coupla occasions xpost
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
well, yeah, but that's pretty meta. by that standard, we're rooting for the killer in horror movies.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
you're an idiot
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
If you didn't know a thing about Betty, she is pretty and looks so normal when she smiles. I feel sorry for Henry Francis. He had no idea what he was flirting with.
― *tera, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno, i've liked betty a lot more this season. i feel like she's suffered enough, and don should suffer more?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
well thats valid but manipulating ur own daughter in service of that is p not cool
& if it's just 2 ratchet up drama, idk 'way 2 go, mad men writers!' ?
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
Wonder who Don's talking to in the teaser for next week, 'Maybe you and I should go as a couple.'
Then again, they tend to choose lines that are misleading when out of context.
― America's Mobile, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
I think she is more real than Megan. Megan is like a Barbie doll living in a glamorous penthouse, young at a time when it's great to be her age, she gets to follow her childhood dream, has children only on the weekends, her husband doesn't cheat on her. Betty has been through a lot. Her youth and dreams for any sort of modeling or faithful husband, happy family all cut short. Sometimes experiences such as hers can make a person more grateful or empathetic towards those around her. Other times it just makes a person bitter and mean. In Betty you see her struggle with both. I feel sorry for Henry because he does seem to love her very much and could really help her if only she could let go of her resentments.
― *tera, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
i like betty as a character (or rather i want to like her because i once found her sympathetic), but over the past couple seasons i've had to like her despite the way she's written, despite the things she's been made to do. this is an odd way for me to relate to the character, to separate my idea of what betty "should be" from the way she's written, because she only exists in the writing and performance, but so be it.
the fact that i want to like betty, however, doesn't make me think her manipulation of sally in this last episode was at all cool. in saying that i feel that i'm judging the bad things the writers are making betty do, not the character who i remain basically fond of.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
that was in response to sarahell
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:00 PM (32 minutes ago)
this sort of thing really isn't necessary
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
Betty = DisintegrationMegan = Violator
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
liking characters is overrated
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
otm
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
I think she is more real than Megan. Megan is like a Barbie doll living in a glamorous penthouse,
*tera otm!
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
"more real," what
― goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
Betty: has a failed marriage and has mixed feelings about her ex; has body image issues and struggles with her weight; cares about her kids but isn't the perfect mother
Megan: manic pixie dream girl with a sugar daddy
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
that's pretty stupid
― goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
yeah how is Megan manic?
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
I guess you have to be mundane to be real?
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
are we watching the same show?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
evidently not
― goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
unless 'manic' means something else? what mania is she exhibiting
― goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
did you all miss the Howard Johnson's episode?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
Aside from her abrupt decision to resume acting, everything she's done seems pretty reasoned and deliberate.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
answering a question with a question? really?
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
none of that HJ stuff seemed manic at all. DD was being a dick, so she took off.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
Seems a bit ridiculous to say Megan is just a spoiled Manic Pixie Dream Barbie when a lot of this season has been about people seeing her as a spoiled Manic Pixie Dream Barbie and her dealing with that.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
xp - the way she got super weepy about leaving a job she disliked? the dance number at his surprise birthday party? the ice cream eating?
I'm not saying she is DSM-IV "manic" - but she does have this "too precious for this world" quality.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
Megan has basically been depicted as being inhumanly perfect, a trait I find creepy and disturbing
xp
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
w/sarahell on this, clinical definitions of "manic" aside
the way she got super weepy about leaving a job she disliked?
this seems totally normal.
the dance number at his surprise birthday party?
she loves don and wanted to surprise him. sure it was misguided, but that's not manic by any definition
the ice cream eating?
it's pronounced sherbert.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
and i think she was exasperated with him, it had been building the whole episode
^^wrt the ice cream
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
The way some people perceive Megan makes me think I'm watching a totally different show. She's one of the only people in the world of Mad Men who seems to have her shit together.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
what if we eliminated the word "manic" and just left it at "pixie dream girl"?
Though I do think the weepiness was excessive and the total cluelessness in re the party made me think something was wrong with her.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
these characters are the exact same level of real, which is not
in the 'howard johnson's episode' where, as written, the character decided to be confrontational toward the pattern of character don's habitual level of manipulativeness and need for approval of choices he's already made. and then got severely punished for it because he got fed up and walked away. well, drove away.
the approval of everything betty has been shown to do recently and disapproval of megan is... iiinteresting
― goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link