a Strawball's chance in hell ...
and yeah, Don had to divorce Anna in order to marry Betty.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
anyway clearly the depravity of this situation is up for grabs for some of you I know longer care
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
Except Don didn't actually tell Sally the story. Is Sally going to be more or less fucked up thinking Don 'had to marry Anna' vs if BEtty had told her he switched dog tags to run from his family etc
My parents lobbed shit through me alll the time when I was a child. Fuck, they still do. I am 29 years old and I still have to tell my family not to insult the absent person to me. This is a thing.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
That was about 30 xposts but y'all are typing too quickly today
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
The only shitty thing about Betty's behaviour was telling Sally to ask Megan about it, imo
well, exactly. she was trying to engineer a situation that would fuck with megan and don, and didn't seem too worried about the fact that sally might get hurt in the process.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
know no
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
^^ exactly. I'd even say it's more normal than any "Oh you simply MUST thank Megan for helping you on that project, sweetie!" like a kid doesn't understand that doublespeak (i.e. they do)
― poxen, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
if BEtty had told her he switched dog tags to run from his family
tbh I have never really understood what Don explicitly gained from switching identities. I mean, surely he could have just run off from his family and changed his name, etc. This was not uncommon. Did he get Don's bank account and house and shit? I guess that would be a big deal.
xp
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
Wasn't the real Don about to end his tour? He got to go home early?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
For a while now I've found it to be kind of implicit that Betty doesn't like Sally. (not sure about the other kids.)
― ryan, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
I just feel bad for Sally.
― Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
Huh! That's interesting. (That Betty might not like Sally)
― poxen, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
Don gained a body that would get sent back to Shitckick, Wherever and get buried in the ground for one thing
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
xp That was what I thought - go home early, whereas Dick had just got there, more or less?
Betty is probably jealous of Sally w/r/t her & Megan's relationship too. My Mom has been mad at me and said some damned cruel things, intending it to hurt -me.- But she also lobbed some slow pitches to explode once I got to my Dad's house. But she also loves me, or at least she's lead me to believe so and let's not debate that part. ;)
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
Sally isn't as easy to deal with as the other two
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
Betty is totally jealous/resentful of Sally this has been obvious for a long time
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
of her relationship with Don, of her relationship with grandpa Gene, etc
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
Betty even tried to horn in on Sally's therapist
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
agree with this, but i don't know that it's so extreme as "totally jealous/resentful"
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
She also made Sally stop hanging out with Glenn, although that one might not be such a bad idear.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
Sally robbed Betty of her potential cougar action
sorry
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
This Megan vs. Betty fight seems so ridiculous to me. Having watched Betty over the first four seasons I mostly remember
lots of self-served mopingmanipulating peoplemore mopingpettiness
Maybe my memory is false or something. But I just remember thinking there's nothing at all to this woman other than her looks and a vague, childish, suffocating melancholia.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago) link
I remember Betty being much more dependent on everyone around her. The lack of attention she got from Don is the main reason for their breakup. Whereas Megan might be a bit too enthusiastic for some people, at least she seems to know what she wants and is capable of constructing her own identity. Betty seems to wallow in victimization.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:37 (twelve years ago) link
I honestly don't know how fully formed the arc was when the show began, but at some point they realized that Betty and Megan had to be in stark contrast to one another.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
Betty wasn't allowed to work, and Don didn't want to spend any time with her at night.. Most of what makes Megan so foreign to her is that she can work (then mother on weekends.)
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 02:42 (twelve years ago) link
Betty did those print ads though (1st season? maybe 2nd) and decided she didn't really want to work. Except there was something else to that (somebody wanted to sleep with her? they were only using her as a favor to Don?), and I can't remember what exactly - something where she got huffy.
The Betty/Megan thing is playing out so much like my own mother/step-mom, it's a bit too real at times.
― Jaq, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:26 (twelve years ago) link
The print ad (for Coke) was a ruse that Don cottoned to.
― Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:46 (twelve years ago) link
When Betty and Don went to Italy...The Betty we found in Italy was very similar (at least superficially) to the Megan we see today. She was stylish, hip, in the know with her Italian, if only for a moment and it seemed that Don was really into her at that moment. Once they returned home, back to the children and daily life, Betty threw a childish tantrum. The life she had was not the life she wanted, she wanted to live the way Megan is living with Don now.
I think Betty is a lot of women at the time. As times began to change there was a bit of jealousy and resentment towards the new generation of women who had more opportunity and choices and social freedoms. Plenty of women made that happen for themselves like Peggy.
― *tera, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 07:55 (twelve years ago) link
"Betty did those print ads though (1st season? maybe 2nd) and decided she didn't really want to work."
Rewatch this episode. This isn't what happened.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 12:12 (twelve years ago) link
is the whole bobby draper thing like a conscious brechtian device? i swear they pointedly get a new actor to play that kid every damn episode.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 12:20 (twelve years ago) link
xxp I think Betty really wanted to live some way other than the way she lived with Don on a day to day basis (which is understandable really, their marriage was pretty bad). The Italian trip represented an exciting escape from that day to day (as did Henry for a moment) but the reality of any life was inevitably going to disappoint Betty (just as actually living Megan's life would.)
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 12:21 (twelve years ago) link
I will, it's nagging at me now. Do you know off-hand which one it is?
― Jaq, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 13:28 (twelve years ago) link
Episode 1.9 according to Google.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
It's the pigeon shooting episode too which I forgot until just now.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
Betty is excited about her modeling shoot, but when they tell her they don't need her anymore, she tells Don that she decided not to continue so she could be home for her family.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think Italy was any kind of perfect trip either. i don't recall the specifics at all - but it *had* seemed like a perfect few days and then Betty (i think durring or after diner) makes some snooty/sulky comment (i think maybe because she had to go back to her horrible life or somesuch) and Don is just sitting there flabbergasted that Betty is still pulling that kind of behaviour then and there. i really wish i could remember this better!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
Don gave her a charm, once they were back home, to remember Italy by and that is when she threw a fit.
― *tera, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
right. thank you.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
i was semi-correct then.
iirc she threw a fit cuz she knew he'd given a similar charm to one of his g/f or something...?
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
Now I want to go back and rewatch everything.
― Jaq, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
ha ha - i think i may have to!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 8:20 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
last one left cause he got another job. probably hard to hold onto a kid for a part with no significant lines.
― mizzell, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
"iirc she threw a fit cuz she knew he'd given a similar charm to one of his g/f or something...?"
I don't think this is right.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
I thought there was something about it signifying his cheating (like he had bought her gifts after being caught cheating on her before...?) I can't remember honestly
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
I couldn't remember either so I googled for a recap: where Don is clearly still under the romantic spell from the trip, and Betty just as clearly is not, so when he asks what's wrong, she gives it to him: "I hate this place. I hate our friends, I hate this town." Dangling London in front of her is looking like a mistake in retrospect. And how ironic is it that now that Don really can't run away, Betty's the one feeling like she wants to? Don says the wrong thing, saying they'll go away again, and then asks her to look on her pillow. She obliges him, and finds a gold charm, which he says he'll have put on her bracelet. She nods sadly: "Then you can have something to look at, when I tell the story about the time we went to Rome." She heads into the bathroom, leaving him confused, and "There's A Small Hotel" appropriately kicks up as we go to credits.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
i dont know how anyone remembers what the non-sally kids look like
― man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
I think bobby keeps getting younger. Benjamin Buttons style.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
bobby is the real don draper's dad, out for revenge.
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link