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Chris Patten.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:46 (twenty years ago) link

Ainsley Hayes

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:50 (twenty years ago) link

Charles Krauthammer is very nice in person. Too bad his opinions are often bugfuck insane.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

bnw OTM

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

Boris Johnson seconded. I'm also quite fond of William Hague's guest stints as a presenter on Have I Got News For You.

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:37 (twenty years ago) link

(and thirded on Ainsley Hayes)

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:38 (twenty years ago) link

Vince Bugliosi is a Republican, but a swell guy and unafraid of challenging his party.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

and of course he put that Manson punk away, too.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:48 (twenty years ago) link

John McCain, definitely. He also makes a great comedian, judging from his SNL appearance - his "McCain Sings Streisand" sketch still cracks me up.

mike a, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

I've got no problem with conservatives who are reasonable and don't make shit up or twist the facts. A difference of opinion/perspective doesn't bother me - it's when someone (right or left) has so little conviction in their politics that they need to resort to distortions of the truth to make their arguments - that I shut them off.

Amen to that. Nothing wrong with dissent - what I can't stand is shrill, overheated, purely ad hominem rhetoric from EITHER side of the fence.

mike a, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 20:04 (twenty years ago) link

Bugliosi is a pompous, self-promoting asshole.

I'd start a "Liberals You Like" thread but I can hardly think of any to start with. Oh wait, I do like Jimmy Carter.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 20:25 (twenty years ago) link

Bugliosi is a pompous, self-promoting asshole.

that is about 180 degrees away from the Vince Bugliosi I had dinner with. Care to elaborate?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 20:26 (twenty years ago) link

also since when did "pompous, self-promoting asshole" not be traits that conservatives cherish? I mean, HELLO, WILLIAM BUCKLEY!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know Vince Bugliosi but my first reaction was "When did he turn into Mitt Romney?"

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

You elaborate first, on how Bugliosi is any different that Johnny Cochran, or any other soulless opportunist.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 20:36 (twenty years ago) link

You can call Johnny Cochran many things, but "soulless" isn't really one of them.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 20:39 (twenty years ago) link

This thread makes me curious who on ILX would identify themselves as a conservative. Roger Adultery, check. Dee, check. Anyone else?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 20:48 (twenty years ago) link

Don Weiner identifies more specifically as libertarian, while Keyth has come out pretty conservatively on many things, but both should really speak for themselves!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 20:50 (twenty years ago) link

I wouldn't say I'm conservative. I vehemently oppose the death penalty (though, not because I believe in any of that 'sanctity of life' nonsense), I oppose vivisection and the fur trade, and have been known to squat, dumpster dive, busk, etc. Not exactly the activities of a Republican.

I'm probably as close to a libertarian as you get. But am I conservative as opposed to liberal? Positively, absolutely.

And fuck seatbelts and income tax.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 20:54 (twenty years ago) link

roger adultery

I love how the meanings of things have changed. Arguably, libertarians are as close to the original liberals as anyone. Libéral in French refers to free traders as it did in the time when it was borrowed from the English.

As for 'conservatives', many of today's American cons are really radicals. They're not keen on conserving much if anything of America's traditions regarding individual rights, foreign policy, federalism, or the separation of church and state.

Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:09 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Goldwater was the real deal... and actually Reagan was pretty much a classic conservative as well.

andy, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:15 (twenty years ago) link

yes, I do self identify much more with the libertarian viewpoint. M.White OTM.

I never read much David Brooks in the Weekly Standard, but his columns thus far in the NYT have been a snooze. Until he pinches MoDo in the ass, I really don't have much use for him. Andrew Sullivan is confused, and while I think he is a lively writer, I don't consider him to be all that insightful. I don't have much use for John McCain--can't really figure out why some people are so enamored by the guy at all. Anne Coulter--not hot, even in a "hate-fuck" scenario. OTOH, Michelle Malkin is hot, and doesn't seem to be a Jesus Freak.

dan carville weiner, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:43 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, I do like Malkin, but she's not hot. She's no Jenna Bush. But yeah, i love her column.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:45 (twenty years ago) link

I'll vote when The Ghost of Jimmy Hoffa, Matt Drudge, Jim Goad, or Jimminy Cricket run. I'll campaign, even.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

tucker,barry, joe clarke

i hate andrew sullivan though, loathe him to peices, loathe is uncle tomming, his religous rhetoric, his assumption that all who dont want to climb onto the marriage truck are evil, and his boredom

anthony, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

OK, anthony,

But what do you really think...?

Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 22:10 (twenty years ago) link

Otherwise, an all-right guy!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 22:43 (twenty years ago) link

michelle malkin is atrocious, and i agree w/ anthony wr2 mr. sullivan.

i like pj o'rourke, barry goldwater, and richard posner. though all 3 are prob. more libertarian than conservative.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:38 (twenty years ago) link

What don't you like about Malkin? I'm not baiting you, I'm just curious - none of my co-workers read anything besides the sports section so I'd like to hear real, informed opinions.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:42 (twenty years ago) link

I'll say Dee the Downtown Spammer!

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:43 (twenty years ago) link

What don't you like about Malkin?

i think that she's nasty, ignorant, and throws off an evil "i've got mine!" vibe -- i.e., i'm the daughter of (nice) immigrants (from a spanish-speaking country), but THOSE immigrants from spanish-speaking countries are wrecking the country. (what's tagalog for "uncle tom" or "tio taco"?) and that's what i could make out -- the rest of her written spiel is illegible ranting.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:46 (twenty years ago) link

Mmm. I disagree, but I can see where you'er coming from re: her arrogance, sometimes. The "I Got Mine" tag is apt, too, but I don't find her ignorant at all. A lot of what she's saying - and being the daughter of immigrants you have to admit it takes balls for her to say it - is right on.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:49 (twenty years ago) link

I once did a "Republicans S&D" that covered lots of the same ground. And Roger, "Liberals You Like" would be a great idea for a thread, since even liberals probably can't name that many.

Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:03 (twenty years ago) link

being the daughter of immigrants you have to admit it takes balls for her to say it
I hate arguments that are predicated on the writer being a member of the group he is criticizing.
I.E. "Look, a black columnist is against affirmative action! That definitively proves that affirmative action is wrong!"
Not that I'm saying you're making this argument, Roger.

Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:08 (twenty years ago) link

How do you feel about Stanley Crouch? Because I'm guessing that's who you're referring to.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:13 (twenty years ago) link

Ward Connerly, actually. Or Dinesh D'Souza, who is far worse. "Look, an East Indian guy believes Racism Is Dead! He would know!"

Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:19 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, I understand that. Agreed on that front. But doesn't their race, then, become a factor in the negative as well? I mean, are we to believe the papers that run these columnists aren't exploiting these people because of their unpredictable 'wacky' viewpoints?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:21 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, it's totally a dog-bites-man (or dog-bites dog?) appeal. When I watch a debate on CNN, I always know that the woman or the member of a visble minority will be arguing the Republican talking points.

So Connerly et al. only got their jobs because of affirmative action? How ironic!

Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:26 (twenty years ago) link

i'm the son of polish immigrants. i like fresh-off-the-boat polish immigrants. but they don't like me.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:28 (twenty years ago) link

GRANDson, actually.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:29 (twenty years ago) link

I liked Bobos in Paradise, but Brooks has sucked ever since. And John McWhorter wrote the most offensive column about hip-hop that I've ever read.

Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:34 (twenty years ago) link

Otherwise, I guess I like most of the conservatives that liberals like.

Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:35 (twenty years ago) link

Tom McCall, Mark Hatfield, Daniel Bell, Bob Packwood (before the tongue scandal)

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:37 (twenty years ago) link

sen. chuck hagel (of nebraska).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:42 (twenty years ago) link

seconded

Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

"Ward Connerly, actually. Or Dinesh D'Souza, who is far worse. "Look, an East Indian guy believes Racism Is Dead! He would know!"

I am convinced that Dinesh D'Souza is the spawn of Satan.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:52 (twenty years ago) link

Who would also know, I guess

Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:57 (twenty years ago) link

Matos said what I was going to.

Dee. that's it.

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:59 (twenty years ago) link

Roger I don't see why I should go first, but I will. I had a long conversation with Bugliosi, and he was very insightful, and I'm not gonna say soulful, but he's got a conscience. Yes, he likes money (again, not sure when not liking money got to be a conservative trait), and making money, but as far as I'm concerned he's nowhere anything like Johnny Cochran. Do you compare the two because they're both lawyers? I hope you realize they're completely different, Bugliosi was L.A. County D.A. whereas Cochran's a defense lawyer - and those are two completely different things (in opposition to each other, even). And Bugliosi's book on the 2000 election fiasco was fantastic - and showed that unlike most Republicans desparate to win back the White House, he has principles. I just don't understand your beef with the man, and I can only assume that its based in some sort of weird misunderstanding of who he is and what he's done.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 03:01 (twenty years ago) link

Admittedly, I don't have the vast knowledge on the man you do - maybe he's a terrific guy. But I know from the few interviews I've seen with him, and the handling of the Manson trial, that I don't like him.

As far as his relation to Cochran is concerned - they both seem to be seeking to gratify their own tremendous egos via the court system

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 17 June 2004 03:05 (twenty years ago) link

TS: The Expendables v.s. this 1994 Kelsey Grammar-hosted episode of SNL (Sandler, Spade, Norm, Lovitz, Jay Mohr)

xpost -- Morbs, even bigger axe to grind if it was his friend's parents who were "socially liberal, financially conservative"

Cunga, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago) link

American "liberals you like" would be about as tough for me.

at least you're willing to have beers with us

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:20 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't know you had a column! Talking about pols mostly, not sure I read any actual libs anymore... Krugman, I guess.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:23 (twelve years ago) link

i don't know whether Matt Taibbi qualifies as a liberal, or he only appears that way b/c he hates Goldman Sachs.

Stinky Ray Vaughan (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:24 (twelve years ago) link

surely downey jr is partly rebelling against the countercultural radicalism of his dad?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago) link

i'd say matt taibbi is to the left of a liberal, where he should be.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link

I like listening to Michael Savage, he has a pleasant voice and at least makes time for real creeps like pedophiles and anti-Semites.

whoa that larison post is grim. i knew he was an old right kind of guy but damn.

goole, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

http://i45.tinypic.com/s5ycnd.jpg

Cunga, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

http://i45.tinypic.com/2re3xwg.jpg

Cunga, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

http://i47.tinypic.com/2elxbt0.jpg

Cunga, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link

Whiney?

retro-shittified (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link

you like that site?

or do you "like" it

goole, Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link

I just discovered the Caiden Cowger program

Cunga, Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link

rootless society

??? The whole history of non-natives in N. America is largely rootless.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link


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