You have to figure the Jaguar guy (who was on the search committee, not the actual point person?) might not get very far with Joan ever again - she's got her contract, and I doubt she signed anything that was contingent on *always* keeping the clients happy.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 13:08 (twelve years ago) link
i'd be surprised if he's ever in the show again
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 13:10 (twelve years ago) link
True!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 13:15 (twelve years ago) link
Hopefully Joan will get Pete fired.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 13:22 (twelve years ago) link
Best episode since 'Carousel'.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 13:55 (twelve years ago) link
like I can see why they dropped it as much as possible, but I always felt Peggy's baby was under-represented in terms of its plausible consequences.
How so?
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link
Babby would be between 6 and 7 now, so it's not like he/she is going to come looking for Peggy.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
btw, I feel like we just got this show back and after two more weeks it's gone again for up to (or more than) a year! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
firing pete would actually be a bad business move, and joan knows that
lane is expendable at this point
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
someone should really put together a fake opening montage for a late-60s era situation comedy called peggy, complete with bouncy theme song called "i'm on my way" or something.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:30 (twelve years ago) link
That's a great idea.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
opening credits montage, i mean.
she could take freddy rumsen, abe drexler the jewish radical journalist, her kvetching mother, the lesbian photojournalist, etc. with her! hilarity ensues!
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:34 (twelve years ago) link
she should also hire away stan rizzo from SCDP.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
i'm kinda psyched for this imaginary show. if weiner did that IRL it would be kind of next-level.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
btw i'm willing to bet that by next (!) season it'll be sterling cooper draper campbell.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
I suppose Pete is the only person doing anything about new business. Bummer.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
Sal ducking his head in for a few saucy Alan Suesian quips every few minutes.
― Björk lied (Eric H.), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
i know this was a bit up thread, but can someone tell me what the hell " trucking the lobsters" means?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
it's a sexual reference.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
how so
hard to put a finger on. just feels as though her having a young child out there only rarely factors into her psyche, which doesn't ring true with how I've heard the adoption experience described, even in the 1960s world of never-speak-of-it-again etc. Doesn't quite chime right.
― stet, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
maybe ted chaoughghg adopted it
― goole, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
which doesn't ring true with how I've heard the adoption experience described
I don't think there's a universal definition of how women react to having their children adopted.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
man just remembered Don having to fire Sal, and suggesting that he should've accepted LGJr's proposition. ~resonances~
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
I definitely don't mean to say that. Like I say, it's hard to express. The handling of it just feels to me more like "that bit of the plot is over now, thanks vm" than any sort of intended expression of an integrated character.
― stet, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
it almost seemed like the shot of the necklace being put on Joan (and her dress) a Vertigo reference. but i cant remember if the necklace in Vertigo was green (seems right though).
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
omg, Joan is Madeline!
― Björk lied (Eric H.), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
catching up here...
re: Lane's financial problems goole is otm way upthread that he should've been smarter and just figured out some way to borrow the money from Don or one of the other partners who doesn't hate him (ie, not Pete). But he has his stuffy British pride to preserve, I suppose, and he's supposed to be the financial whiz.
re: prostitution/cars - am I the only one finding some rather extreme irony/cognitive dissonance between the implications of the show this season (making ads for cars = having arrived/being a whore) and the um actual car ads being made by the actors and run during the show...? META
re: Peggy spinoff show = THAT GIRL!
re: Ginsburg. So great this episode. Love this guy. His whole angle was about Don (Megan "comes and goes whenever she wants" = Ginsburg realizing that Don can't own her the way he wants to = the tagline). Which is exactly the kind of psychologically transparent pitch that is Don's bread and butter.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
and he's supposed to be the financial whiz
right but where would a green eyeshade dude be w/o complaining about a grasping tax authority? i really just don't buy this problem. every music fan knows british taxes were sky high in the 60s, why wouldn't lane be a 'tax exile' like everybody else? maybe cos his kids are still in school there (that was a plot point, right?)
― goole, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
re: Ginsburg. So great this episode. Love this guy. His whole angle was about Don (Megan "comes and goes whenever she wants" = Ginsburg realizing that Don can't own her the way he wants to = the tagline).
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
the show is giving many signs that ginsburg (and relations with don) is going to have many of the same characteristics as early peggy-don, but it will be interesting to see what's different -- ginsburg's leftism and the chip on his shoulder most obviously
― goole, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
Ginsburg is a leftist?
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
no he's an alien
― mizzell, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, basically. but more office-centric.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
i mean to qualify that, it's vague, but i mean his basic contempt for all of their clients
― goole, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
I think another difference is that he feels like he could take Don's job someday
― dmr, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
yeah he seems resentful of wealth/ostentation, suspicious of power... kinda ambiguous politically but attitudes that are more commonly associated with the left I guess
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
Remember too that Roger (eventually) warned Peggy after she hired Ginsberg that his own last big hire was Pete.
― Hare Kinsey (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
I don't recall Pete and Roger ever getting along, I wonder how that happened
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
Roger and Don went to his apartment at the end of season 3.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
Although even that's not true since strictly speaking Roger hired Ken after that, but whatever.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
Just realized Don throwing money at Peggy twice in this ep - once literally - neither times she takes it.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
I meant how was Pete initially hired at Sterling Cooper. In S1 he's already a junior account man iirc
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
just catching up here but dudes how great and perfect was that kinsey thing, i expected rejoicing in this thread, cant believe yall had to ruin the fun
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
I totally rejoiced! who didn't rejoice?
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
whoever said upthread that the "nobody likes me" speech really tied together a great character arc for him was OTM
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
there was a lot of grumbling about it it seems
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
I enjoyed what a pathetic washup of a Hare Krishna he was, esp in the diner sitting there with his facepain looking all forlorn.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
facepaint
though facepain works
lol
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
why wouldn't lane be a 'tax exile' like everybody else? maybe cos his kids are still in school there (that was a plot point, right?)
yeah you have a point about this. I believe his kids are still back there (we've never seen them, I don't think?). I don't pretend to understand the arcane workings of Great Britain what with all they're chuntering and blootering wot wot
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link