The kid who plays Glen is a bit rubbish really, worst character in the series.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
What did he say?"I wanna talk to you in my office." And then he offered me some extremely expensive brandy, and that’s how you know you’re fucked. Yep. But there was talk around base camp from the pre-shoots that something was gonna happen to somebody. We kind of felt it in the air.
oh my god, Matthew Weiner telling Jared Harris his character was gone was just like Don firing Lane.
― I DIED, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
nah I think Glen is great. he nails the awkward stiffness of that age, particularly when it comes to relating to the opposite sex
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
Agreed. I don't get people saying Glen is creepy, a bad character or a bad actor. He perfectly portrays a kid of his age. I don't think I'd hang a whole series around him but he's a good character and has had alot of good moments for a minor player.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
shakey and sparkle otm re: glenn
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
Was it just me or was the whole Glen subplot in this one a kind of ham-handed (but great) Holden Caulfield hommage? Boarding school, train stations, calling up girls he knew years ago out of the blue... "Everything you think's gonna make you happy just turns to crap..."
― brio, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
haha wow that didn't occur to me but makes total sense
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
did he call anybody a phony
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
no but sally did!
― goole, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
but yes brio otm. down to the prep school getup.
Isn't there a Natural History Museum thing in Catcher in The Rye too, or am I imagining that? Been awhile.
― brio, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
the actor is Weiner's son, and his middle name is Holden. Someone on Reddit pointed out that one of the very first times we met the little guy he was wearing a red hunting cap:
http://tvrecappersanonymous.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/creepy-glen.png
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
also from Reddit: Holden wants to see Phoebe, and he goes to look for her in the park because he remembers that she often roller-skates there on Sundays. He meets a girl who knows Phoebe. At first, she tells him that his sister is on a school trip to the Museum of Natural History, but then she remembers that the trip was the previous day. Nevertheless, Holden walks to the museum, remembering his own class trips. He focuses on the way life is frozen in the museum’s exhibits: models of Eskimos and Indians stand as though petrified and birds hang from the ceiling, seemingly in mid-flight. He remarks that every time he went to the museum, he felt that he had changed, while the museum had stayed exactly the same.
I did notice the CITR themes on my own since that's one of my favourite books, but I am lazy about researching :)
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
Excellent call on Catcher.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
omg I didn't catch that at all
now I want to go read the book again again again
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
when I went to NYC with ENBB I took a picture of the pond & the ducks :) It made me so happy. Ditto with the skating rink. One day I'd like to try and do the whole trip he takes - haven't read the book for a while so not sure how many locations are namechecked, but I want to go!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't read it for a while either but I remember loving the awkwardness of him hanging out with the 3 girls at the Edmont, when they go dancing (?)
also everything between him and Stradlater
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
the whole book just makes me want to quote and reminisce and draw hearts <3 <3 and of course erase the word Fuck from anyplace I might find it
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
pun intended?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
hahah if I say yes I will be crediting myself with far more cleverness than I have, lol
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
Lane's greatest moment, RIP:
http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/PETE-CAMPBELL-KTFO.gif
― Roz, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
I could watch that all day.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
pete punch v. crotch steak
― yorba linda carlisle (donna rouge), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
ppl like characters on this show? TV is weird.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01hfwQL1QUg
"It shall be too late to run!"
― Stravinsky joins the Zulu nation (zero of the signified), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
and the way he puts up his fists, Marquis of Queensberry style is AWESOME
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
More Lane awesomeness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31cCUWDyyrQ
― Stravinsky joins the Zulu nation (zero of the signified), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
I just remembered that Don's brother also hanged himself after Don tried to wash his hands of him. Has he killed anyone else?
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
good christ, i'd completely forgotten about that
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
a friend of mine speculates that the series is driven by an Ayn Randian ethos, and Don is a Randian hero.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
Burt Cooper is a Randian hero
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
in his mind
iirc
interesting speculation. "i owe you nothing because i can take care of myself" seems to be a big part of don's operating philosophy.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
Dick Whitman (and N.Korea) are responsible for the death of the real Don Draper.
― Hare Kinsey (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
Don would have to not be miserable all the time to be a Randian hero. You're supposed to ENJOY the fruits of your principled capitalist labor.
― I DIED, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
randian thing doesn't really scan to me.
randianism has appear specifically as a fascination of cooper's and he's a bit buffoonish.
― goole, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
I miss Bert Cooper's OG office where you had to take your shoes off and it was like visiting Japan to have a meeting with him
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
"Dick Whitman (and N.Korea) are responsible for the death of the real Don Draper."
How was Dick Whitman responsible for the real Don Draper's death? He didn't drop a bomb on the guy.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
why Dick Whitman is responsible for Don Draper's LIFE! (And Dick Whitman's death.)
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
randians aren't quiet about their bullshit generally and weiner himself is mum on this subject.
what about don is specifically randian as opposed to being.. rich?
― goole, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
oh no, i don't suppose that either don or mad men is explicitly/intentionally randian. it's still an interesting parallel to consider: a protagonist whose strength and superiority are inseparable from his heroism brought low by the craven, grasping weakness of those around him
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
his dismissal of lane was about as compassionate as he could reasonably be, really.
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, June 5, 2012 3:25 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4tgjzQ7q71r8j1jb.gif
― goole, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
that one's getting a lot of work today.
anyway, i do like the idea of don as rand-esqe (let's say) hero. strong, visionary, unbound by the petty rules that govern the behavior of lesser men...
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
Don's brought himself low plenty of times. And has also shown himself to be generous, even charitable, on multiple occasions.
― retro-shittified (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
also, to some extent sympathy for the poor and whores and the rejected and the outcast kind of comes very naturally to him - he sees himself in them - and that is explicitly NON-Randian
your summary of what about don is randian has never happened on the show
― goole, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
no, i'm speculating idly about the eventual course of things. either he'll triumph over the lesser men around him, or else he'll stumble. at this point, it's all speculative. i agree, fwiw, that he's far from the perfect randian hero.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
and sure, if you strip off enough of the specifics that make a "randian hero" specifically randian, then he just becomes a plain old ordinary hero - which is certainly the more sensible description of don at this point
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link