The Martin Luther King Thread

CNN Polls be grim:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/19/king.poll/index.html

" The poll found 69 percent of blacks said King's vision has been fulfilled in the more than 45 years since his 1963 "I have a dream" speech -- roughly double the 34 percent who agreed with that assessment in a similar poll taken last March."

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

(I had something snarky lined up along the lines of '...just goes to show who does and doesn't know what MLK's dream is' or '...tell that to the mexican dudes in Long Island who were murdered in December because they were mexican' but it seemed too obvious...)

It does seem like we got James Brown's Funky President, however.

The average black person's "69%" might not mean the same thing as a white person's "69%". The way white people defensively use this stuff makes my skin crawl. Get over your discomfort with black people already.

Sorry, I didn't mean it to sound like I'm directing my sentiments at anyone on THIS board. I mean, like, people in the media or people who go on and on about race without much of a personal investment in it.

In any case, I'd rather read something positive or inspiring on this day than a bunch of negativity. It just seems that when race relations are brought up on the internet, we get a bunch of negativity or "debates". What about positive things that black people do? Or inspiring stories of change? Change doesn't happen unless we acknowledge that it happens. Positivity doesn't grow unless we are willing to see it. I hate to see cynicism associated with something as globally relevant as the Civil Rights Movement.

Not directed to anyone personally here, of course.

A day for nonviolence

http://blogs.citypages.com/pscholtes/2009/01/a_day_for_nonvi.php

I accuse Pete of being the Taylor Branch street team

links are awesome btw

I'll join a Taylor Branch street team, the three volume bio is amazing.

I can't make up my mind which factor has improved race relations in the US more: school desegregation or African-Americans getting full access to the ballot. I suspect the latter is uppermost, since so many other power issues flow outward from there.

MLKjr was the spearhead, but today is a good day to remember the mass of people, mainly black but also white, who were the spear. Same with Obama. He had (and has) many millions behind him, making a tailwind.

just saw the 1970 "King" docfilm by Ely Landau, which is tremendously moving AND instructive with its footage of white ethnic Chicagoans being just as vile as Old Confederacy racists.

How do you know they were "white ethnics"? This is a horrible stereotype that has done a lot of damage to innocent Catholics who supported Dr. King.

(I remember those people, and they weren't all that "ethnic", so....)

Like I said, discussions like this always drift into negativity.

Guys, let's put aside our differences for a moment and reflect on the idea of a mummy Martin Luther King terrorizing us all for disturbing his tomb...

u s steel, see the film and tell me I'm wrong. Blue-collar home-owning Chicagoans in '67 weren't mostly WASPs. There's a nun interviewed during the March on Washington, so I hope that balances the Catholic thing out for you.

Io9 has a neat little piece about MLK in science fiction

Did you live in Chicago during that period? Your generalizations are extremely hurtful toward MY RELATIVES from the south side who grieved for Dr. King. Are you implying that WASPs or affluent assimilated types are superior? That is what racists do. I would get off this aggressive line of yours. I find it vaguely threatening.

I guess humanity and compassion isn't part of your self-righteous agenda.

http://www.charliedigital.com/content/binary/comment-friday-damn.jpg

? Nobody is making any universal condemnations. And I hope you're taking the piss.

You are, too. When I attended Northwestern, smug affluent north siders - who never sacrificed a thing for desegregation or equal rights - had the same attitude toward ME, because I was a blue-collar "white ethnic".

You haven't explained to me where your experience comes from, other than a movie.

I find it disturbing and exclusionary that you are unwilling to listen to anyone but yourself.

OK, joke's over

Trying to make this less adversarial - I'm not trying to deny that those people were around in large numbers, I had to deal with quite a few myself growing up. But a lot of frustration we had when I was a kid in the seventies was with people who didn't want to "get involved" or who avoided the subject of race, who didn't want to take any risks, or who just did what they were "told".

My only point is that bigotry, in my experience, isn't confined to a particular region, class or "ethnicity".

way to go thread!!

interesting thread...

happy MLK day! i want to read some MLK today, what are your favorite essays/speeches/letters of his? he really was a superb writer, something that (understandably) isn't often mentioned

there's an 'autobiography' that some scholars assembled from his private and public papers; don't know how it's considered.

I was just thinking about his Letter from Birmingham Jail earlier today.

never forget

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/perlsteins-greatest-hits-6-conservatives-and-martin-luther-king

wish every self-styled 'real conservative' who goes on about the wisdom and forbearance of william f buckley would be forced to read that article.

I was just thinking about his Letter from Birmingham Jail earlier today.

― nah (crüt), Monday, January 16, 2012 1:42 PM (2 hours ago)

yeah this is just a breathtaking piece of work, the thing that made me really go "wow this dude can WRITE"

just got back from our local mlk march, v civil, almost solemn tne

TONE

Good piece on King's fight for sanitation workers in Memphis and the Poor Peoples' Campaign.

Need to ready Taylor Branch's bio.

have you read any bios?

who -- me?

yes you

yeah this is just a breathtaking piece of work, the thing that made me really go "wow this dude can WRITE"

― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Monday, 16 January 2012 21:09 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

feel like i'm jumping in to see your praise & raise you hyperbole but yeah i think this is one of the greatest things ever written; seem to recall one of the two lawyers who were fighting the recent Californian gay marriage case calling it one of the best documents humankind has produced. it's also very romantic to be able to suffix this guy can write w/'-in the margins of spare newspaper pages while in prison'. his supreme patience, perfervid desire to actually connect, & willingness to engage with people whose acts ought by any logic ought not to have been dignified with a response, is inspirational.

in case anyone never read it

http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

i'm reading the "autobiography" right now and it's good! straight from the man himself

Nope, kev! I've been lazy about reading the Branch one.

schlump otm

tangentially related, today the rainbow center at my school screened a doc about this guy (http://rustin.org/); couldn't catch it, but i'm gonna check for a book on him from the library. seems like a bro

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/rfk-announcing-death-of-martin-luther.html

The Taylor Branch books are my favorite books about anything ever.

mlk3 spoke in SA, we had over 100k march again this year
proud of my city

holy shit at the us steel vs. morbs upthread

I'm on the fence about every use of Dr. King's image these days. I think that there are a lot of issues he would weigh in on, but probably not clearly aligned with a lot of groups that exist in 2012. I also think that people think "if he were alive today, he would.." while thinking of him the way he was when he was assassinated, but.. he'd be over 40 years older!

yeah -- "If he were alive" questions are deadwood.

http://i.imgur.com/ms3AB.png

Papa John's is one to talk about longevity and quality.

lol

Dennis Perrin ‏@DennisThePerrin
Isn't it cute when liberals try to drag radical visionaries down to their level?

It was the response of his quickest instincts.

All I can say is that it takes enormous mental discipline over a long time to develop an "instinct" like that.

Psychiatric nursing 101 is all it takes.

i wrote about US empire’s most reliable ideological ally, The Washington Post editorial board, publishing the most saccharin and ahistorical Martin Luther King tributes in recent memory—which is saying a lot, given the crowded field. https://t.co/hEq6Obpash

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) January 17, 2018

thanks for those articles, tarfumes and kingfish

Halberstam on MLK Jr. in August 1967 (Harper’s): “Possible nationalization of certain industries, a guaranteed annual income…" pic.twitter.com/u6LccDojHq

— noah kulwin (@nkulw) January 25, 2018

Given Branch's broad scope beyond the life of King specifically, I was jarred by America in the King Years ending very abruptly with King's assassination. Thankfully, I managed almost by accident to track down A Nation on Fire by Clay Risen, which is focused entirely upon national reaction in the week following the assassination and details many of the ways in which white America's reaction to the riots led us to where we are today. Highly recommended.

hadn't seen any discussion of this yet:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/arts/king-fbi-tapes-david-garrow.html

i haven't read any of garrow's books and he seems to be fairly well-regarded, but i read his piece and thought the evidence for the accusation that's making headlines seemed pretty weak

tape archive release in 2027

Remember that right-wing dickshits are forever running this shit under people's noses for, like, being generally peace-loving and nonviolent and supporting equality and shit. As if it's going to convince you to start beating people up and hating people who are different from you.

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2019/06/historical-hackery-and-the-legacy-of-martin-luther-king

this isn't really about martin luther king jr. himself but the holiday. every time the holiday comes around, in my conservative (racist) western state, at my largely conservative (racist) workplaces, staffed largely by white people, there is always this awkward (racist) tendency to tip-toe around it or, like, not acknowledge the reason for the holiday / pretend it doesn't exist. today in a staff meeting my supervisor said, pretty much verbatim, "i absolutely love martin luther king jr., he is one of my biggest heroes and i could talk about him for a long time." it was SO CRINGE. these people have tons of sanctimonious boilerplate around the fascist holidays, why is it so hard to celebrate someone who stood for equality? obviously i know the answer but, god, if i were a supervisor i would rehearse something ffs.

I don’t know, but if it’s insincere I wouldn’t want to hear any mealy mouth boilerplate about how he stood for peace and love and colorblindness.

yeah, I'm looking forward to the annual bullshit CEO email about how "most importantly, he stood for peace" at which point I destroy my work laptop

course, this is the same CEO that said during the riot "while I know you will continue to delivery high quality work to your clients, make sure to take a few minutes off if you need it" while the shit aws still ongoing

ughhhh

yes, i agree re: the less preachy bs from management about a holiday the better.

I can't recommend Taylor Branch's biography of King highly enough. It restores to view all the deep and daily complexities of the problems faced by the civil rights movement, so it is possible to understand King's place in it. The bland bromides that get repeated every January have reduced that vast tumultuous history to the size of a pea.

Seconded. All three volumes are amazing and eye-opening. My one and only criticism is that, for a biography which is in a way about the entire civil rights movement as it is about King himself, it's very frustrating that the third volume ends abruptly with his assassination without going into any of the immediate fallout (about which I would highly recommend Clay Risen's A Nation on Fire, which is entirely focused on the reactions to the assassination in the days and weeks and months following).

And of course I posted pretty much exactly that two years ago upthread. Bears repeating, though.

Thirded, though I admit my attention wandered during the lengthy sections regarding the internal schisms within the Nation of Islam, though I understand it was necessary background to the Malcom X chapters in the second volume.

And of course I posted pretty much exactly that two years ago upthread. Bears repeating, though.

Kinda blows my mind that he would only be in his 90s now, I don’t know why.

Great revive

I heard today that he hid his cigarette smoking from his children

it was just nice to hear something simple and human about a figure that's almost become godlike here in the U.S.

relatable too

A few years ago we went and did kind of the MLK self-guided tour in Atlanta — the neighborhood where he grew up, his church, and of course his and Coretta’s tomb. It was edifying, helped make him more real, provided context.

that sounds v cool

The whole area is a declared national historical park, and the National Park Service has done a good job with informational kiosks etc.

https://www.nps.gov/malu/index.htm

If you’re in/near Memphis, the National Civil Rights Museum (with tour) is highly recommended.

I went last spring when I was in the city for a wedding.

Yes, that’s also excellent. I haven’t been in years, I’m sure they’ve changed some things, need to go back.