― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link
i will probably agree more with gear than myself two years ago...
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― i'm from hollywood, Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Saturday, 11 March 2006 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 11 March 2006 01:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Saturday, 11 March 2006 01:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 11 March 2006 02:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 11 March 2006 02:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Saturday, 11 March 2006 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 11 March 2006 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Saturday, 11 March 2006 02:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 11 March 2006 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 11 March 2006 02:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Saturday, 11 March 2006 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 11 March 2006 04:09 (eighteen years ago) link
also, best description of the elders group goes to a friend who called them "Dreadlocked Starfleet Command"
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 11 March 2006 08:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 11 March 2006 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 11 March 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago) link
why aren't they called 2 and 3, though? stupid names
― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 11 March 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Saturday, 11 March 2006 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link
oh it doesn't matter.
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 11 March 2006 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 11 March 2006 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link
I would like die hard: with a vengeance more if it were called die hard 3: die hard with a vengeance or something
― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 11 March 2006 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 11 March 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 11 March 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 11 March 2006 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 11 March 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 11 March 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link
Finally saw this last night. I liked the 2nd one though toward the end it got confusing as I don't think I was invested enough in the storyline. This was just boring, like the dull space battles from the new Star Wars but stretched out to an hour and inter-cut with stuff that was in the other movies. Perhaps the plot of this movie isn't as confusing as it seems to me, but it felt like every time a major character was going to drop a plot bomb they went into cliche Matrix-talk. "What do I need to do?" "You know, you've always known." This isn't philosophical, it's bad writing.
Also, yeah, the guy with the attitude that likes to cuts himself, let's leave him in the same room with a disabled Neo, and have him watched over by one doctor lady. Also let's get the Master Control Program from Tron except make him look like a baby. How come Neo can't bring Trinity back from the dead again, if Neo got taken over by Smith in the first movie would the world have ended like it does here, and what were all the mechs doing in that inter-dimensional vortex from the end of Howard the Duck?
Only reason to see this film are those amazing breasts.
― Adam Bruneau, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link
ugh, this movie. you know what sucked about this too is that the "real world" which is masked by the matrix is boring and ugly. i would rather have had a couple more movies completely within the matrix program, with neo and the rest kind of working undercover like a viral program, instead of this leather fetish rave fighting bullshit. and considering how "smart" this movies were supposed to be, the last two are so, so stupid.
i did see v for vendetta in the end, it was good, i suppose.
speed racer was better than revolutions, btw.
― omar little, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:01 (fifteen years ago) link
ugh, this movie. you know what sucked about this too is that the "real world" which is masked by the matrix is boring and ugly.
seriously! being plugged into the matrix seems like a pretty sweet deal.
― Q: Why was the mushroom so popular? A: He was a fungi (latebloomer), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Omar OTM, "Speed Racer" was MUCH better than both sequels.
― Adam Bruneau, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:59 (fifteen years ago) link
― omar little, Monday, December 8, 2008 8:01 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
it's true tho, the whole hook of the first one is that once you know the truth you can learn kung fu instantly and become superman... and travel thru phones and shit. why would you want to set your movie outside of that??
― s1ocki, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Because you want to have a crazy rave sequence mayhaps.
― Alex in SF, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:16 (fifteen years ago) link
A boring crazy rave sequence, at that.
― Ca-hoot na na na oh oh (HI DERE), Monday, 8 December 2008 23:21 (fifteen years ago) link
i think the first matrix was clearly made with no sequel in mind. this wasn't some kind of lord of the rings all-of-one-piece thing.
i think also neo turning into an incredibly uninteresting cipher with no personality in the last two films was also a bad move. yeah lol keanu joeks but in the first he was a really great character and we empathized with his situation. but once he was "the one" there was nothing left for him to discover except...i dunno, greater powers? who gives a shit.
― omar little, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link
"i think the first matrix was clearly made with no sequel in mind."
Would have been nice if they hadn't allowed for the possibility of one then.
― Alex in SF, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:27 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah i know but if no sequel came about it could have existed as a single standalone film with no trouble whatsoever. i think they painted themselves into a corner with all the interesting character arcs completely front-loaded into the first film.
― omar little, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:30 (fifteen years ago) link
i think it was obviously made with a sequel in mind, esp with that last shot, but with no clear idea of what would be in that sequel.
― s1ocki, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Star Wars (and arguably Empire Strikes Back) are better than any of their sequels because the universe in which the story takes place is being unveiled/explored by the film as much as by the audience. The film is aware that a curtain is being drawn back, that the audience is being taken on a voyage of discovery, and paces itself accordingly. Think how much time both Star Wars and The Matrix spend gathering characters, doling out info in small bites, and ramping things up before all is revealed and the "epic battle" plots kick in -- and how much care they devote to textural variety outside the big action sequences. I'm thinking especially of the scene in The Matrix where Neo first visits the Oracle in her faux Chicago tenement. It's so rich and surprising and realistically detailed. The Wachowskis take time with it, and don't seem primarily concerned with kicking your eyeballs in with wicked awesome shit. There's nothing like it in either of the sequels, which lack any sense of wonder or exploration. Therefore, tedious, boxed-in, unsurprising.
― Suggest Ban Permalink (contenderizer), Monday, 8 December 2008 23:37 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't know, the second one pretty much holds up until Neo finds out the "secret" of the Matrix, at which point it gets kind of retarded.
― Ca-hoot na na na oh oh (HI DERE), Monday, 8 December 2008 23:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah I'll basically watch the entire second one and enjoy it up until the trucks hit each other and blow up. The rest is inconsequential
― El Tomboto, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:40 (fifteen years ago) link
well i think they weren't planning a sequel to complete this story, is what i meant. they were hedging their bets in both directions. obviously the door was left open. kind of like the first star wars, which could have made sense as a single film too. but i think that particular universe allowed for more possibilities than the matrix series.
― omar little, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:41 (fifteen years ago) link