the most important election of your lifetime: 2012 american general election thread

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I'll tell you what, Morbs - if Ohio is in any way considered "safe" for Obama a week before election day, I'll vote Green just for you.

Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago) link

if people joined the green party, it wouldn't get to believe in things anymore

iatee, Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:24 (twelve years ago) link

oh youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:26 (twelve years ago) link

i'm not currently planning to vote for president btw

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:27 (twelve years ago) link

I would honestly suggest you vote green party, you have no reason not to

iatee, Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago) link

not that it, or anything, really matters, but why not, you're in ny

iatee, Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago) link

if people joined the green party, it wouldn't get to believe in things anymore

Good premise for a movie.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VZaVT03Q2G0/SJhKuVNdy_I/AAAAAAAACec/udoIyY9moVI/s400/thecandidate2.jpg

clemenza, Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link

i need to see evidence the GP is expanding the audience for their message, which the Nader campaigns fumbled.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:30 (twelve years ago) link

you are cynical, iatee. For about 40 years, the Democratic Party believed in things (relative to now) and won elections.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:31 (twelve years ago) link

i don't much like the idea of Chief Justice Alito.

kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link

which 40 years is that referring to?

iatee, Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link

1933-75ish

is Chief Justice Roberts gravely ill? you dingbat.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

do you really think the democratic party had a more consistent ideology during those periods than it does today? back when half of the party was opposing civil rights?

iatee, Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago) link

they got some shit done

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:37 (twelve years ago) link

sure, which is why I'm pro getting shit done w/o believing in things

iatee, Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago) link

so you voted for Cynthia McKinney but now you're concerned about "expanding the message?"

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:40 (twelve years ago) link

they got some shit done

― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Friday, July 13, 2012 9:37 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

like Vietnam ...

kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago) link

the thing is the current democratic house is prob one of the most ideologically consistent - and left-wing - in recent history. it just doesn't matter because when you lose the crazy redneck dems you don't get to do anything anymore.

iatee, Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago) link

some of those crazy redneck Dems were OK with the New Deal and the Fair Deal ... at least when Negroes weren't beneficiaries.

kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:42 (twelve years ago) link

the Warren Court was cool

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:46 (twelve years ago) link

prefer to use "drone liberals" nowadays

― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Friday, July 13, 2012 8:53 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol thats p good

lag∞n, Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link

So did Mitt really just spend a friday night saying Barack Obama is mean and that his secret secrets have no importance in this election?

da croupier, Saturday, 14 July 2012 03:06 (twelve years ago) link

also is there any precedent for a "apologize to me for saying mean things about my secrets" tack working for a politician?

da croupier, Saturday, 14 July 2012 03:08 (twelve years ago) link

Bears a weird resemblance to the plot of this season of Parks and Rec but maybe not real life.

where can i get a mcdonalds quesadilla tho (silby), Saturday, 14 July 2012 05:43 (twelve years ago) link

“What kind of president would have a campaign that says something like that about the nominee of another party?” Romney said.

― Matt Armstrong, Friday, July 13, 2012 7:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so basically mitt romney is bobby newport from parks & recreation.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 14 July 2012 06:15 (twelve years ago) link

"I guess my thoughts on abortion are, you know, let's just all have a good time." -- Mitt Romney

the bibles fake lol don't trust a book (reddening), Saturday, 14 July 2012 07:28 (twelve years ago) link

gah the term "humblebrag" is so fucking wretched

perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 July 2012 12:46 (twelve years ago) link

its a p lame formation but it us usefully descriptive of something people do all the time especially on twitter where it originated

lag∞n, Saturday, 14 July 2012 12:55 (twelve years ago) link

and the humblebrag guys RTS r funny

lag∞n, Saturday, 14 July 2012 12:55 (twelve years ago) link

So did Mitt really just spend a friday night saying Barack Obama is mean and that his secret secrets have no importance in this election?

― da croupier, Friday, July 13, 2012 11:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol basically, specifically he also said hes not releasing anymore secrets, i guess why would he when people are being so mean abt the stuff thats already out there

lag∞n, Saturday, 14 July 2012 12:58 (twelve years ago) link

you'd think friday interviews would be a good place to admit to something, forcing obama to wait a weekend to pretend it's a big deal, rather than huffing in disgust that someone would suggest his secrets might be bad secrets and not harmless secrets.

da croupier, Saturday, 14 July 2012 13:08 (twelve years ago) link

hes obvs going to be forced to release at the v least more tax returns, i have no idea how he doesnt see this

lag∞n, Saturday, 14 July 2012 13:12 (twelve years ago) link

people are going to look back at this period when he wouldnt release his tax returns and everyone was making fun of him for it and say 'the election was lost here' - it may not be technically true but thats what theyre going to say

lag∞n, Saturday, 14 July 2012 13:14 (twelve years ago) link

I have a feeling the Bain thing's going to fade as the tax-return issue replaces it. Bain, besides having happened over a decade ago, strikes me as a murky grey area with just enough wiggle-room that a lot of people will be left shrugging their shoulders. But the tax returns are very tangible if he decides to hold fast to his refusal to release any more. It's very reasonable to wonder what's in there that Romney doesn't want known. (If it's that he's obscenely rich and pays relatively little in taxes, I thought people already knew that by now.)

clemenza, Saturday, 14 July 2012 13:17 (twelve years ago) link

obama should run an ad where theres the clip of mitt demanding an apology they they cut to a bunch of diff people from all walks of life one at a time going 'awwwwww' and making mocking sadface then at the end it cuts to obama and he goes 'awwwww'

lag∞n, Saturday, 14 July 2012 13:19 (twelve years ago) link

(If it's that he's obscenely rich and pays relatively little in taxes, I thought people already knew that by now.)

― clemenza, Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:17 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it is this i think but i imagine the specifics of how he did it are quite unsavory, offshore shell companies accounting tricks etc, i mean the one year of tax returns he has released are from after he was running for president and had a chance to clean that stuff up a lil

lag∞n, Saturday, 14 July 2012 13:21 (twelve years ago) link

yeah "referendum of obama" or not, it's just not a matter of people who like obama vs people who don't, but people who like obama enough to vote for him vs people who hate obama enough to vote for the other guy, and ads saying "the president was mean to hilary clinton, and now he's being mean to mitt romney" doesn't strike me as a real base-rallying, dem-humbling move. Other issues will obv come but his current actions just amplify people's awareness that Mitt doesn't want to tell us something.

da croupier, Saturday, 14 July 2012 13:26 (twelve years ago) link

"referendum on obama," i mean

da croupier, Saturday, 14 July 2012 13:26 (twelve years ago) link

I'm sure Mark Shields (PBS) is the kind of media guy everyone on here hates, but I've always found him funny. In his segment last night, after a few minutes of dumping on Romney, he said something like "There's one area where I think Romney has a clear advantage in this election." The two people with him stopped talking and listened carefully--this was going to be the standard moment where somebody proved his objectivity by making a concession to the other side. Shields (paraphrase): "We all know the tax code has to be reformed. Well, no one knows more about loopholes and how to game the system than Romney--he can make a very good case that he's the guy to do it."

clemenza, Saturday, 14 July 2012 13:27 (twelve years ago) link

ha

da croupier, Saturday, 14 July 2012 13:29 (twelve years ago) link

i like shields grumpy old washington insider persona, its kind of awesome when david brooks tries to argue w/him and hes all com'on son

lag∞n, Saturday, 14 July 2012 13:33 (twelve years ago) link

Here's the clip: go to the six-minute mark.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec12/politicalwrap_07-13.html

clemenza, Saturday, 14 July 2012 13:34 (twelve years ago) link

watching mitt on cnn, i had a lil nathan thurm flashback on occasion

da croupier, Saturday, 14 July 2012 13:38 (twelve years ago) link

obama should run an ad where theres the clip of mitt demanding an apology they they cut to a bunch of diff people from all walks of life one at a time going 'awwwwww' and making mocking sadface then at the end it cuts to obama and he goes 'awwwww'

― lag∞n, Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:19 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao at this

Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Saturday, 14 July 2012 14:01 (twelve years ago) link

On the day after Romney took over the Winter Olympics, the Boston Herald reported that “Romney said he will stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investment and key personnel decisions.”

http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/07/13/evidence-mounts-mitt-romney-continuing-ties-bain-after/w9vGMpkCKg1GaYdaU8l8GL/story.html

i like how a lot of the boston globes reporting on this is just them reading old issues of the boston globe

lag∞n, Saturday, 14 July 2012 14:09 (twelve years ago) link

or reading the boston herald as it were

lag∞n, Saturday, 14 July 2012 14:10 (twelve years ago) link

people are going to look back at this period when he wouldnt release his tax returns and everyone was making fun of him for it and say 'the election was lost here' - it may not be technically true but thats what theyre going to say

this is correct I think - "You get two years of my tax returns & I filed an extension on one so I'll get that to you later" is a really clumsy misread on the tone of this stuff, I think

perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 July 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link

Sully's been going ham over this for the last two days.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 July 2012 14:22 (twelve years ago) link

Sullivan going ham is something I can't take seriously after the "Sarah Palin wasn't really pregnant!" mess, dude gets a whiff of some scandal heat on somebody he doesn't like & gets all high-school about it

perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 July 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link


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