― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― J (Jay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link
It's too easy to picture an SNL writers' meeting where all the funny scripts have been read and everyone's in a good mood, and then Hammond stands up to say, "Hey, what if Donald Trump made a guest appearance on a soap opera?", chilling down the entire room.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link
You know Andy, you could have avoided all of the fighting and nonsense on this thread by SAYING THAT at the beginning!
― Dan ("Synthetic Skin Tone" = "Blackfaced Minstrel"???) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link
This whole debate could have been avoided if only the kid had carved a Ben Wallace pumpkin instead of wearing the costume.
― So so Krispie (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link
dressing as hitler = baddressing in a KKK hood = baddressing in minstrel blackface = bad
White kid dressing in dark makeup as a specific popular black basketball player on Halloween = who gives a shit? It's Halloween, and it's not a stereotype! I don't see any connection between a halloween tradition of dressing up, and the stereotyped minstrel culture that had it's heyday in what, the 40's, and hasn't been popular or acceptable for generations.
I want to hear what you think about this one. I dressed as a mexican bandito for halloween. I did that because I just happened to have an inflatable cactus and an authentic vintage mexican sombrero laying around (that was in my grandma's basement.) I wore a rug for a poncho, a gun and a fake mustache too. I wasn't able to acquire a bullet bandolier. So I bought 10 cans of refried beans, cut off the labels and turned them into a bandolier.
― -rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― J (Jay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― So so Krispie (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link
Umm, he did make a guest appearance on a soap opera. Just, you know, sayin'...
― captin crunchheart (dr g), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link
Everything is offensive to somebody. Full stop.
In fact, my incomplete sentence above just offended the National Grammar Society... Oh! The horror!
I mean Jesus Fucking Christ, what is this world coming to. Oh, wait... I mean golly gosh, no, wait, I mean...
― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link
What happens next year if I go out trick-or-treating as Watermelon Hitler? I'll tell you what would happen: I'd be trapped in my Watermelon Bunker while my neighbors try to kick my ass.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link
"A passion of Christs"
― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link
One can yell "Chaplin! Chaplin!" when the mob sets upon you.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link
I mean, it's weird. I'm half Goan. 99% of the time I *hate* seeing white people doing comedy Indian accents. I'm not offended by Apu from the Simpsons - everyone in the Simpsons is a caricature and he's a more positive one than most of the others. Likewise, I'm not offended by Ben Kingsley in Gandhi - another tricky one, he's of Indian descent, he still LOOKS white most of the time, he's still blacked up in the role. They could have got a 'proper' Indian actor to play him. Where do you draw that line?
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (Excruciating Back Pain) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link
(Or words to that effect...)
I mean, who the fuck is anyone to dictate what other people can or cannot be offended by? It's a matter of common courtesy not to cross that line unless you have a very good reason (ie a serious political point to make). And "it's just a bit of fun" is not one of them.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link
http://is1.okcupid.com/users/570/250/5712517942420203273/p1097418461.jpg
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― emilys. (emilys.), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link
It's a matter of common courtesy not to cross that line
Who defines what/where that 'line' is?
― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan I., Tuesday, 1 November 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (ILE's Invisible Man) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link
Ron Mael! Ron Mael!
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link
Have you tried buying a modestly proportioned fake afro lately?
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 12:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― sfxxx, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 12:39 (eighteen years ago) link
but this is v different from the 'blackface' scenario. these kids weren't actually in blackface, as per tracer, but the thread has kind of worked on that assumption. anyway, 'blackface' has a cultural resonance that 'randomly dressing up as a Bangladeshi' doesn't quite have. it would depend entirely on the context.
as for "the 95% of people you might come across whose views you DO NOT HAVE A FUCKING CLUE ABOUT" well, this is race-unspecific isn't it?
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link