Matrix Revolutions

also, best description of the elders group goes to a friend who called them "Dreadlocked Starfleet Command"

why aren't they called 2 and 3, though? stupid names

oh it doesn't matter.

I would like die hard: with a vengeance more if it were called die hard 3: die hard with a vengeance or something

Finally saw this last night. I liked the 2nd one though toward the end it got confusing as I don't think I was invested enough in the storyline. This was just boring, like the dull space battles from the new Star Wars but stretched out to an hour and inter-cut with stuff that was in the other movies. Perhaps the plot of this movie isn't as confusing as it seems to me, but it felt like every time a major character was going to drop a plot bomb they went into cliche Matrix-talk. "What do I need to do?" "You know, you've always known." This isn't philosophical, it's bad writing.

Also, yeah, the guy with the attitude that likes to cuts himself, let's leave him in the same room with a disabled Neo, and have him watched over by one doctor lady. Also let's get the Master Control Program from Tron except make him look like a baby. How come Neo can't bring Trinity back from the dead again, if Neo got taken over by Smith in the first movie would the world have ended like it does here, and what were all the mechs doing in that inter-dimensional vortex from the end of Howard the Duck?

Only reason to see this film are those amazing breasts.

ugh, this movie. you know what sucked about this too is that the "real world" which is masked by the matrix is boring and ugly. i would rather have had a couple more movies completely within the matrix program, with neo and the rest kind of working undercover like a viral program, instead of this leather fetish rave fighting bullshit. and considering how "smart" this movies were supposed to be, the last two are so, so stupid.

i did see v for vendetta in the end, it was good, i suppose.

speed racer was better than revolutions, btw.

ugh, this movie. you know what sucked about this too is that the "real world" which is masked by the matrix is boring and ugly.

seriously! being plugged into the matrix seems like a pretty sweet deal.

Omar OTM, "Speed Racer" was MUCH better than both sequels.

ugh, this movie. you know what sucked about this too is that the "real world" which is masked by the matrix is boring and ugly. i would rather have had a couple more movies completely within the matrix program, with neo and the rest kind of working undercover like a viral program, instead of this leather fetish rave fighting bullshit. and considering how "smart" this movies were supposed to be, the last two are so, so stupid.

i did see v for vendetta in the end, it was good, i suppose.

speed racer was better than revolutions, btw.

― omar little, Monday, December 8, 2008 8:01 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's true tho, the whole hook of the first one is that once you know the truth you can learn kung fu instantly and become superman... and travel thru phones and shit. why would you want to set your movie outside of that??

Because you want to have a crazy rave sequence mayhaps.

A boring crazy rave sequence, at that.

i think the first matrix was clearly made with no sequel in mind. this wasn't some kind of lord of the rings all-of-one-piece thing.

i think also neo turning into an incredibly uninteresting cipher with no personality in the last two films was also a bad move. yeah lol keanu joeks but in the first he was a really great character and we empathized with his situation. but once he was "the one" there was nothing left for him to discover except...i dunno, greater powers? who gives a shit.

"i think the first matrix was clearly made with no sequel in mind."

Would have been nice if they hadn't allowed for the possibility of one then.

yeah i know but if no sequel came about it could have existed as a single standalone film with no trouble whatsoever. i think they painted themselves into a corner with all the interesting character arcs completely front-loaded into the first film.

i think it was obviously made with a sequel in mind, esp with that last shot, but with no clear idea of what would be in that sequel.

Star Wars (and arguably Empire Strikes Back) are better than any of their sequels because the universe in which the story takes place is being unveiled/explored by the film as much as by the audience. The film is aware that a curtain is being drawn back, that the audience is being taken on a voyage of discovery, and paces itself accordingly. Think how much time both Star Wars and The Matrix spend gathering characters, doling out info in small bites, and ramping things up before all is revealed and the "epic battle" plots kick in -- and how much care they devote to textural variety outside the big action sequences. I'm thinking especially of the scene in The Matrix where Neo first visits the Oracle in her faux Chicago tenement. It's so rich and surprising and realistically detailed. The Wachowskis take time with it, and don't seem primarily concerned with kicking your eyeballs in with wicked awesome shit. There's nothing like it in either of the sequels, which lack any sense of wonder or exploration. Therefore, tedious, boxed-in, unsurprising.

I don't know, the second one pretty much holds up until Neo finds out the "secret" of the Matrix, at which point it gets kind of retarded.

Yeah I'll basically watch the entire second one and enjoy it up until the trucks hit each other and blow up. The rest is inconsequential

well i think they weren't planning a sequel to complete this story, is what i meant. they were hedging their bets in both directions. obviously the door was left open. kind of like the first star wars, which could have made sense as a single film too. but i think that particular universe allowed for more possibilities than the matrix series.

give me the car chase from reloaded and that's it imo

That car chase is one of the greatest things ever filmed, is the thing.

exploding digital vagina scene > car chase

I don't know if they clearly meant for a sequel, but I think the first one ends well, similar to Terminator 2's ominous ending where the heroes have won, but the future remains uncertain. Agree with Omar that it could have been a standalone film, and probably should have remained that way.

As inferior as the sequels are, at least there are some fun fight scenes and chases, I guess, especially in the second one. One problem I had was that compared to the first one, all the fights seemed really too "soft". Like in the first one, that scene where Morpheus is getting his ass whooped by Smith before they capture him, there is this wonderfully crunchy moment where his head gets put through a toilet seat. I can't really think of any moments in the second two movies that had that kind of impact, despite all the bullets, flying and zipping around and cascading building collapses - the CG had just gotten far overused.

^Wait, what?

I've said this elsewhere but it was really disappointing to me that after adding all this other fairly interesting and exotic stuff to the universe they proceeded to do nothing with it in Revolutions. Hey there's this whole other underworld of rogue apps in the matrix that do weird things outside the bounds of the agents or the humans, but nevermind, we're setting the finale in the boring wasteland where magic doesn't exist.

Getting Leigh Brackett to write Empire is the big plus for that film (although this depends on whether you believe she wrote it, I guess.)