A Fabio Frizzi-esque score would be nice, maybe too much to hope for. Katalin Varga was good though, hoping Strickland can take it onwards from there.
― don't slip in mud (Matt #2), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
slightly disappointed this isn't about Cathy Berberian & Luciano Berio being loopy in 50s Italy, sounds interesting though
― zappi, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
Ha, yeah, I've been on a bit of a Cathy tip since the announcement of this.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
― don't slip in mud (Matt #2), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:27 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Broadcast OST. Looks like Julian House did the posters, as well...
― Deverly (Bangelo), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
Bit on Film4 last night about this as part of the FrightFest season. The other stuff they're premiering doesn't look *that* brilliant, but I keep on getting more excited about this.
― emil.y, Thursday, 16 August 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
no one can save me from google
― Sweet Yin Yang ☯ (Latham Green), Thursday, 16 August 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
this looks great. Broadcast doing the soundtrack sounds perfect.
― dmr, Thursday, 16 August 2012 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
Well, this was awesome. The sound-work is pretty much perfect, and so ridiculously intense at times. Pretty sure some of Chiara's (think this was the character name) vocalisations were a nod to Cathy? Also quite a few nods to other films - definitely a Repulsion theme in the first half, and, uh, was I the only one to giggle at "it's all for you, Gilderoy"? My only gripe is that it got maybe a little too Lynchian in the last quarter, but masterfully done all the same...
ilxor Fizzles posted his review on the post-2005 horror thread, I think it's a great write-up.
― emil.y, Sunday, 2 September 2012 13:34 (eleven years ago) link
Really looking forward to seeing this on Wednesday,
― Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 2 September 2012 13:35 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty sure some of Chiara's (think this was the character name) vocalisations were a nod to Cathy?
http://cdn.thegloss.com/files/2010/08/ack.jpg
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Sunday, 2 September 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
Katalin Varga was really terrible but i'd still like to see this.
― jed_, Sunday, 2 September 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
TT, surely that's Kathy Acker not Cathy Berberian?
― emil.y, Sunday, 2 September 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
Toby Young is great, for a start, with his mole in wind in the willows features
Saw this today, I enjoyed it until the last part. I think I tried to read too much into it, like I was expecting some clumsy reveal about him having stabbed his mother and retreating into a fantasy world of the sound studio or something like Mulholland Drive. Film-within-a-film and the sound-centric nature did feel very Inland Empire (but better - I found IE v disappointing).
― kinder, Sunday, 2 September 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
really looking forward to this. anyone know if/when it opens in l.a.?
― pastoral mellotron soaked epic gnome and wizard shit (get bent), Sunday, 2 September 2012 17:45 (eleven years ago) link
Excellent piece in Mojo - surprisingly, I thought, but I guess I haven't flipped through a Mojo in many years...
― emil.y, Sunday, 2 September 2012 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
thanks for the repost, emil.y
(and yes, fuck knows how toby young crept into my mind, a most unwelcome slip, recitified now).
the other film this reminded me strongly of, partly because of the main character and partly because of structure of the film (an unspooling into recursive insanity), is Dead of Night.
― Fizzles, Monday, 3 September 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think i got this
― Number None, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 17:06 (eleven years ago) link
film of the year. and yeah, i reckon it qualifies as horror.
― second only to popcorn (or something), Friday, 7 September 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
failed comedy
― Number None, Friday, 7 September 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think you got this.
― second only to popcorn (or something), Friday, 7 September 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
it was going for comedy in the first half though right? help me through his people
― Number None, Friday, 7 September 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
or through this
― Number None, Friday, 7 September 2012 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
i didn't think it was comedy as such. cleaely not a film without humour tho. I guess it treats the awkward engaging between v different cultures fairly lightly at first ("Cor, strike a light") - everyone's fairly genial (tho the film is clearly v dark underneath, and gilderoy is v isolated, absurd even). But that engagement clearly becomes something more than awkward that goes some way beyond comedy, if it was ever that.
I don't know, as I say, although amusing, it never really felt like a comedy.
― Fizzles, Friday, 7 September 2012 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
You really didn't get it, NN. Sorry.
― emil.y, Friday, 7 September 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
ok, so the first half really isn't going for scares though. It's basically misunderstandings with wacky Italians. Then it starts getting a little weirder but it never really builds up any sense of dread. I wanted to love this, i really did. I was prepared for something that uses sound in a properly creepy way (which is a rarity these days) but it just didn't work for me. One of my favourite films ever is the original version of The Haunting (which i think may have been nodded to with the knocking on the door scene) but it didn't even come close to that with its use of sound to evoke fear
― Number None, Friday, 7 September 2012 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
i saw this yesterday and really liked it, tho' i don't know whether i've processed it yet.
gilderoy = allusion to gilles de rais?
― cb, Monday, 10 September 2012 08:35 (eleven years ago) link
Ooh, possibly. I was wondering what significance that name had, as it doesn't seem the most obvious choice for a hermit-like quaint olde Englishman.
― emil.y, Monday, 10 September 2012 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't seen this movie yet, but couldn't it be this Gilderoy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AlQ0vjCF9g
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Monday, 10 September 2012 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
Ah. Yeah, probably. Would be highly surprised if a hauntologist film is failing to reference archaic British folk.
http://digital.nls.uk/dcn3/7440/74408571.3.jpg
― emil.y, Monday, 10 September 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
ha, i thought that was too obvious and there was another gilderoy i didn't know aboutsurprise! i'm on top of this mystery :)
poor gilderoy
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Monday, 10 September 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
Somehow felt this was too long (probably 70 mins instead of 90). I agree that it was much more subtle than the character simply going crazy, how the film subtly played on his mind. But again because the mind was being played with no sort of end game, this was always going to flag if not edited appropriately, and it wasn't. Like how the claustrophobia of the set-up (pretty much a studio and corridor) was offset with a few touches of humour that made their mark whenever they appeared.
Reminded me a bit of Boogie Nights, of all things. As in, people making this thrash (or a work viewed as thrash) thought it themselves to be art that revealed a truth to be told, and loudly (in BN the makers want recognition for showing something no one else wants to see). But the bullshit meter is always on; Gilderoy doesn't get paid.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 15 September 2012 08:04 (eleven years ago) link
aw, you lousy bum, xyzzzz__, this was AMAZING and you are provably WRONG (in all probability) and we'll have to have it out at the next ILB FAP where i shall in all probability wag my finger and refer to Toby Jones as Toby Young.
― Fizzles, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
lol, I saw Toby young on Newsnight eralier this week and thought of your post.
FAP soon, once I'm allowed out on parole.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
Loved it. Got totally lost in the English encounter with the catholic, sacrificial-sacramental transformations + repetition. Want to see it again, get my head round it some more.
A1 review Fizzles.
The credit sequence was amazing
Is a soundtrack coming out? I can't seem to find anything about it, but you'd think.
― woof, Thursday, 27 September 2012 12:11 (eleven years ago) link
OST and DVD out in December I read somewhere.
― Cragenham Craig (Craigo Boingo), Sunday, 7 October 2012 08:43 (eleven years ago) link
would have been great if this ended with about ten minutes of the rural england film, when they burned thru to that.
so i suppose this film is about the small incremental degredations that turn a quiet humane man to doing cruel & ugly things for a job. not sure if it's a masterstroke or a cheat to hint (it seemed to me) at darkness rather than establishing his humanity clearly.
― zvookster, Sunday, 7 October 2012 10:47 (eleven years ago) link
NPR is streaming the Broadcast soundtrack. Looks like it is released officially in a week's time.
And here's a selection of promo posters that didn't get to the manufacturing stage; many awesome designs. No word on a release date apart in the States apart from "early 2013" which is maddening, I want to see this film immediately.
― Spectrist, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
there are dvdrips of it out there now if you can't wait
― Number None, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, might take the plunge with this one, as I've never done torrenting before. But I'll watch it in theatres for sure when it reaches our shores.
― Spectrist, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
felt this was bit of a let-down, ultimately. like, i didn't really buy the basic set-up - why would italian genre filmmakers need to hire a englishman who had never worked on a horror film before? isn't their whole post-production process rather lavish for an exploitation picture? - so the film could, for me, only work as an exercise in atmosphere, design (sound or otherwise), hints and whispers - and on those terms it simply wasn't gripping enough, or surprising enough, or even strange enough (tho' the moment when gilderoy began speaking in dubbed italian was a great coup). obviously not meritless, but for me rather it was all rather 'easy' - a collection of signifiers designed to please and flatter the genre-savvy, without doing any of the very precise character and narrative work that would make it more satisfying as a story.
― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 6 January 2013 11:34 (eleven years ago) link
saw this the other day and wasn't totally convinced. were the pressures applied to gilderoy really enough to send him over the edge? i dunno, i could have used a bit more explicit trauma there, but i'm mean like that. i did like the two voice artists though, and the bored secretary. also funny to see the bohman brothers popping up in the box hill documentary as a couple of walkers
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Sunday, 6 January 2013 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
The soundtrack is amazing.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 10:53 (eleven years ago) link
amazingly bad review in the wire
― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 10:58 (eleven years ago) link
abt how banal "some hauntology" is, like okay we're using that just as a genre descriptor now are we? yes of course it was by mark fisher
sounds like a really good imitation of italian horror soundtracks to me
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 11:08 (eleven years ago) link
Hauntology has been used as a genre descriptor for years. Surprised that MF would give this a bad review, though.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 11:32 (eleven years ago) link
Finally, looks like this will be making the rounds in the US, or at least in my neck of the woods (SF Bay Area) come mid-February. I'm really trying not to spoil too much about this film for myself, as the keywords I know thus far being cheeky homage, Broadcast, sound design, and giallo are my equivalent to sugar-frosted crack, so I'm kinda relieved at the hype deflaters keeping me level headed, so I may traipse into the theatre with semi-low expectations and possibly emerge a happy man.
― Spectrist, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 07:29 (eleven years ago) link
― Number None
felt this was bit of a let-down ... a collection of signifiers designed to please and flatter the genre-savvy, without doing any of the very precise character and narrative work that would make it more satisfying as a story.
― Ward Fowler
― the late great, Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
i am not entirely convinced it's not me though, wonder if a second watching or someone explaining what was happening in the last third would help my appreciation of the film
loved the photography and set design but it eventually got quite repetitive - how many times do we need to see meters and dials?
― the late great, Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
I'm with you. All feel, little substance.
― That elusive North American wood-ape (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 19 January 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
climax? big blow out? I thought the ending was totally ambiguous and subdued and not at all horror.
― a beef supreme (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 12:15 (ten years ago) link
it was like this sudden burst into hallucinatory, nightmarish vision that the film was building up to the whole time - a constant simmer that was more effective at that level than boiling over. i compare the wtf-ness of the ending with kill list, another recent british film that didnt know what to do for its final act.
― StillAdvance, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 12:31 (ten years ago) link
i love the ending of kill list, think it knew exactly what it was doing
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 12:34 (ten years ago) link
I thought the end of Kill List was sort of cool/funny without maintaining the sense of dread from earlier in the film. BBS much more of a mood piece, I thought.
― I like to think I have learnt a thing or two about music (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 12:37 (ten years ago) link
i didn't really like the way it went totally bonkers and lynchian but then kidn of went back to the original tone except with Toby dubbed in Italian and then just ended abruptly.
― a beef supreme (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 12:42 (ten years ago) link
it (or ben wheatley) *might* have known what it was doing, but it just seemed so jarring! like suddenly i was in some weird sort of inspector morse episode about cults. im not saying i dont like films that start one way then go another, but both KL and BBS' endings seemed to belong to different films. tbh i saw BBS ages ago when it first came out so i cant remember it perfectly but yeah, the way it went bonkers then ended up dubbed in italian seemed a bit silly for what was a mood piece. i almost wished it had ended before all that happened cos it kinda broke the spell.
― StillAdvance, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 12:52 (ten years ago) link
i don't know man, seemed pretty obv that KL was heading in the direction it was going in as soon as the creepy guy made it a blood pact - or when their friend drew that occult symbol in their house - i like the way that the film's early 'realistic' mode acted as decoy for the film's ultimate destination.
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 12:58 (ten years ago) link
You guys are idiots.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 13:32 (ten years ago) link
how so emil.y? conflicting opinions, neither of them right?
I agree with ward fowler about 'kill list'. but i thought the cuts between language and tone in 'bss' were integral to the idea of shifts in sound, language and their source (the ontology of sound?) creating the horror pervading the engineer's displacement from home in his new job (the uncanny?)
― ennui soundsystem (doobydoo), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 14:11 (ten years ago) link
BBS woulda worked if it was, like, 45 minutes long. It took its few ideas and stretched them paper thin.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 14:19 (ten years ago) link
BSS*
i like the end of kill list, but i love wicker man and don't look now, and if you put them together, that's basically the end of kill list.
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link
After having the night/morning to think about it, I think where the film falls apart is the it never established even the slightest sense of eeriness or dread - which isn't a problem per se, but it felt like that was their intention.
― Wendy Carlos Williams (jjjusten), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 16:00 (ten years ago) link
its like a british sitcom about an english sound man in italy without the jokes
best thing about it was all the foley/analogue equipment/technique fetishising
made me want to watch blow up or the conversation
― StillAdvance, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
xpost yeah, it just wasn't scary or creepy or quite atmospheric enough. it seems to go some of the way, but i totally empathise with those who felt it could've gone further, even though i think overall it's a great movie.
― a beef supreme (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 16:25 (ten years ago) link
yeah, this was no good
― the late great, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
lies. still easily my favourite film of the past few years, having watched again the other day. possible a favourite film of all time.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 19:18 (ten years ago) link
i think presuming this is a horror music is a grave mistake
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 19:45 (ten years ago) link
er, movie
when i recently watched the new bfi dvd of Dead of Night i got a real BSS vibe from the credits:
http://www.tv-ark.org.uk/mivana/mediaplayer.php?id=b5e1d5fdeb5e2abe5f7b90c98afabdac&media=deadofnight1972&type=mp4
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 23:07 (ten years ago) link
Put off seeing this a long while, wouldn't have if I'd known it's not really a horror film; also a rather forthright critique of the genre's misogyny. Never really liked Toby Jones before, but this frustrated mama's boy role fits him like a glove.
The first guy in the studio (sound editor?) he's working with is a riot, then the director is even funnier.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:22 (ten years ago) link
(I think giallos are the worst shit in the world in case you've forgotten)
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:23 (ten years ago) link
Yeah there's definitely some genre critique in here. It's meant as affectionate, but clearly it works either way.
― Simon H., Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:30 (ten years ago) link
also had forgotten Broadcast did the music
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:34 (ten years ago) link
man I LOVED this
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link
I really dug this. Those wacky eye-talians, amirite?
― latebloomer, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link
I'm not a huge giallo fan but I've seen and enjoyed enough of them to lol at lines about aroused goblins
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:59 (ten years ago) link
I enjoyed the movie immensely up until the big transition 15 minutes before the end. I'm quite skeptical about how this movie is alternately classified as a horror movie or a thriller. Though broad, both of those labels presuppose certain elements that are completely missing from this experimental film. Still, it was a fairly good movie and I am so happy to see Toby Jones in a starring role. Though he has starred before, this is the kind of "actor's actor" that is all too often relegated to outer reaches of the supporting cast.
― Jak, Monday, 7 April 2014 18:53 (ten years ago) link
just went to see the duke of burgundy. v enjoyable. long-game fetishism and lepidoptera. a small figure of eight of sexual domination.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 22 February 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
sound again central. the list of recordings listed at the end as if not more important than the visual scenery. pleasing joke in the credits - the informal English names of the moths and butterflies played by their Latin classification.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 22 February 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link
WHY NOT START A THREAD FOR IT?
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 February 2015 16:04 (nine years ago) link
v nearly did - or a P Strickland thread - and still might, but the film itself feels a little lightweight. not all in a bad way - wish there were more films that were intriguing bagatelles - but I'm still thinking.
actually that's not true, I'm sitting in the cinema bar drinking, but that's what passes for thinking round my way recently.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 22 February 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link
A Strickland thread would be better.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 22 February 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
Title keeps making me think of the Mr. Show Burgundy Loaf skit
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 22 February 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link
no men in this film btw. relying on Morbs or someone equally well informed to mention other general release films where this is the case.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 22 February 2015 16:27 (nine years ago) link
That's a really good question, and a unique aspect I'm not sure I've encountered reading about this film yet.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 22 February 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
the film is superbly punctuated by lectures on lepidoptera, with slow scans of the all women audience - they're all fantastically dressed and individually beautiful - in the way that is sometimes demeaningly termed "striking". the only exception being a slightly toppling badly wigged mannequin.
this film is as much about dress and dressing up as it is about anything else. the visual and aural aspects of the fabric are v sensually indulged in.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 22 February 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
very high among 2015's anticipatings
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Sunday, 22 February 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
will port all this over to a new thread when I get 'ome.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 22 February 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
Saw the trailer when I went to see Goodbye to Language (another film of tiny bits of very beautifully done sound) (as almost all Godard) and I quite like to see this as well.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 February 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link
Thanks for reminding me that I missed my chance to see "Goodbye to Language" in Chicago, apparently. How does Herzog get a 3D documentary about a cave into theatres, and Wenders gets a 3D doc about a dance into theaters, but Godard's lauded latest barely sneaks in for a couple of weeks? And alas because this is meant for 3D, I have a sad feeling that means I will never get to see it.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 22 February 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
I was quite taken with Duke of Burgundy.
The psych/soft folk soundtrack by Cat's Eye sounded good as well.
― the gabhal cabal (Bob Six), Sunday, 22 February 2015 22:38 (nine years ago) link
i missed this at ifc, sadfacejosh, tbf, both herzog and wenders' films are narrative and about subjects people can easily grasp and are in focus
― the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 February 2015 03:08 (nine years ago) link
Hope I manage to see this next week.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 23 February 2015 03:27 (nine years ago) link
I seen it. Very lovely and cosy, I wish I lived there. It is a lot like Morgiana minus the crime and identical twin stuff. At the beginning I thought the plot was going to be totally unimportant but it gradually becomes more interesting. I think it's too long but I liked it a lot.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 22:58 (nine years ago) link