Subways are for sleeping: NYC Transit survival thread

you can guess my answer

they aren't even supposed to ask you to get off if you just say 'no I just wanna go uptown'

ive never been asked to get off! i dont know that they even bother doing a sweep anymore

Bloomberg goes to Brooklyn Bridge

Yeah, no shit! Who cares about Brooklyn Bridge, no one goes there!!

― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:54 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I assume this is ironical (city hall, courthouses, etc.)

I fell asleep on the 6 once and didn't know about the loop -- I got all panicked when I woke up in the tunnel and hit the call box, but they were just like "it's cool, stay on the train until we come around"

I hadn't mentioned this yet, but last Friday I was on the front of the first car on a train that struck and killed a person in Brooklyn. It was very freaky and bizarre. And no, I didn't see a thing (but felt and heard it), and made certain not to turn my head when exiting. The train operator was SHAKEN and in a bit of a panic.
On the mezzanine, I heard another train coming in the other direction and ran down with my friend and hopped on, so that we were strangely at our intended destination as planned that evening, and so the fatality seems sort of dreamlike. Like, I woke up the next day after dreaming about it all night, and it took a little convincing myself that it actually happened.
Not to be a downer.
The 6 train loop rules.

wow that's crazy. was it an accident or a suicide?

Both ends of my E-train commute now have extremely narrow walkways on the platform (due in part to elevator rehab, I think), and I'm always afraid I'm either going to trip, get pushed or accidentally push someone else onto the platform, but I keep doing the walk to be that much closer to my exit when I get off.

Seems like it was an accident. The only news story I found about it was this:
http://www.news12.com/articleDetail.jsp?articleId=334484&position=1&news_type=news#fb_jump

I think there was another incident at Broadway Junction later that same night.

I'm way more careful around narrow platforms than I used to be. The N/Q/R at Union Square could be dicey when that was my regular train.

used to wait for a train here, with trains going opposite directions on either side:
http://www.subwaynut.com/irt/walln2/walln22.jpg

It wasn't all THAT ironical, not v many people get off at Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall compared to how many get off at Fulton, or Union Square. An inexact comparison because of transfers, I know, but it's crazy annoying that you can't transfer to the express where the local dead-ends.

Uff, sorry to hear about Friday, chinavision.

anyway how hard is it to switch to an express at an earlier stop? you just have to be on top of things. the lex line is super frequent, even off peak.

6 TRAIN LOOP IS THE BEST!!!

its kinda crazy that max wants to destroy all our 6 train loop adventures and memories just so he can transfer at fulton

Right but going downtown, the nearest stop to Brooklyn Bridge is 14th St, that means sitting through a bunch of local stops if you don't want to get off at BB.

Sorry, that may not have made any sense: I have to get on the A at Fulton, but if I'm on the east side below 14th st that means the 6 to BB then the 4/5 only one stop to Fulton, then my "real" transfer. It vexeth me.

it sucks for sure but it's still no higher than #4356 on the list of things that will be fixed when I am put in charge of the MTA

congrats everyone for the broadway-lafayette/bleecker street connection

― mookieproof, Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:09 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

this is going to be amazing for me, v psyched

http://www.governor.ny.gov/press/09272012Drivers-First

Two guys on 7 train talking about Sid Vicious' and his demise. They heard some other guy actually played his parts on the record but don't seem to know his name

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mta_to_nyc_pick_your_poi_on_30JIfu56UXzt6TN0sU0hgP

lmao

more annoyed about metro north fares really

anyway this is basically going to pensions and has been looming for a long time. it's not gonna be $125.

I would prefer eliminating the bonus, which was always stupid, confusing and inefficient (countless metrocards with an orphaned $0.50 on them). Beyond that, I would of course prefer the lowest unlimited hike, which would mean raising the regular fare to $2.50. I guess it's arguable which is more regressive -- people with regular work schedules probably mostly buy unlimited, but this includes everyone from janitors to financial analysts. Poor, non-working people and people with irregular schedules are more likely to pay for regular fare. But my guess is that the bulk of the regular price fare cards go to tourists, and I'm fine hiking the rate on them.

25 cents isn't THAT much, really. Also yeah, the discount has gotten ridiculous--didn't it used to be 10 or 15%?

And can't you not refill a MetroCard for less than, like, $5 or 10?

I don't know the %s off the top of my head but whatever it is it's def not 50%+ tourists buying reg price cards.

7% is hilarious and is designed to make it so that you are never able to have just $2.25 left on a card

j doesn't buy monthly cards cause she is only here on the weekends, also is lazy, so she always ends up w/ random amounts and lots of mystery cards in her purse

that's why the $1 per card fee is a good idea, because it means I will have to spend less time waiting as she goes through 5 different cards at the entrance

the best part about the regular card is that you can use them between multiple people @ once

traveling with cheapskates on the subway = dud

i do not buy monthly cards

another thing to remember is that even at $120, if you take the subway twice a day that's $2 a ride, which, adjusted for inflation, is still cheaper than the subway was in the mid-90s.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/NYC-SubwayFaresWithInflation.png

I ride the shit outta that monthly pass, and would even more if I had a bus on the corner that took me to the train.

yup the only time to get worried is if they talk about getting rid of the monthly pass. I probably get about 100 rides out of mine a month.

another thing to remember is that even at $120, if you take the subway twice a day that's $2 a ride, which, adjusted for inflation, is still cheaper than the subway was in the mid-90s.

The unlimited was introduced in 1998 at $63 for a 30-day, and I don't think inflation has nearly halved the value of the dollar in the last 15 years.

the point where it was more expensive is there in the graph!

Also, almost no one uses their unlimited literally every day in a 30-day period.

well there's a bell curve where some people don't go out on weekends and are straight-forward M-F commuters and some people go out on weekends and even use it more than twice on a weekday. you also have to incorporate the fact that the creation of the unlimited cut the commuting cost in half for anyone who had to take a bus to the subway. there are winners and losers.

I am Almost No One, but that is bcz I moved to a nabe where I am not usu interested in staying home.

inevitably on some level people who use the system infrequently are subsidizing people who do use the system frequently - it's true w/ tourists and it's true w/ monthly card commuters

xp

well there's a bell curve where some people don't go out on weekends and are straight-forward M-F commuters and some people go out on weekends and even use it more than twice on a weekday. you also have to incorporate the fact that the creation of the unlimited cut the commuting cost in half for anyone who had to take a bus to the subway. there are winners and losers.

― iatee, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:20 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd guess the middle of the bell is probably 6 days out of 7? I also don't think the second part of your post is accurate -- pretty sure you used to be able to do a bus transfer from the subway that was either free or reduced-fare. Can't swear to it but I vaguely remember it.

Anyway, we can play arbitrary graph points all day, but it's kind of silly to tout the fact that a $120 unlimited is cheaper than the mid-90s adjusted for inflation when the graph basically just briefly spikes above $2 during that time period and is otherwise mostly well below $2 for the 70s, 80s and 90s.

FWIW, a $120/$2.25 deal would actually raise the break-even point in number of rides for an unlimited.

well I'd rather take a 2012 subway for $2 than a 1979 subway for $1.50. the big point is from a consumer's standpoint the subway is not overpriced or even that highly priced considering what you get / what comparable services cost in america / the world. and this is esp true for frequent users.

I'd just like the F train to run frequently enough after work that it's still not "rush hour" (ie, SRO) at 8 or 9pm. The extension of the G train made this worse.

I'd guess the middle of the bell is probably 6 days out of 7? I also don't think the second part of your post is accurate -- pretty sure you used to be able to do a bus transfer from the subway that was either free or reduced-fare. Can't swear to it but I vaguely remember it.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/04/nyregion/card-halves-cost-for-double-fare-riders.html

The free transfers do not apply to token users. But for the estimated 350,000 daily riders who took the bus to the subway or two buses to work, the change cuts the cost of their daily round trip to $3 from $6.

A free transfer took effect sometime after that though.