― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 5 January 2006 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 5 January 2006 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer: Grab my puffy nipples and make a wish. (latebloomer), Thursday, 5 January 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 5 January 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link
The final third was a disaster. A crushing disappointment.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm not sure why you thought the ending was such a crushing disappointment. It seemed to me that the film kind of just petered out. A few more members of the team died, he got called back, he retired... maybe not the most satisfying conclusion, but hardly seemed like the stuff of a disaster.
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link
Also: the Papa family's Manchurian Candidate-style omnipotence didn't ring true either. It seemed as if Spielberg and his writers found a pat solution to an immensely complex problem.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 5 January 2006 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 5 January 2006 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 5 January 2006 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 5 January 2006 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 5 January 2006 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer: Grab my puffy nipples and make a wish. (latebloomer), Friday, 6 January 2006 02:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 6 January 2006 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 6 January 2006 07:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer: Let's just say I do for bullshit what Stonehenge did for Rocks (lat, Friday, 6 January 2006 07:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer: Let's just say I do for bullshit what Stonehenge did for Rocks (lat, Friday, 6 January 2006 07:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link
I liked the movie, but like others are saying, only the first 60% is darkly fascinating...
― paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link
That said, I liked this film.
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 08:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― howell huser (chaki), Monday, 9 January 2006 09:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link
Also: nobody told me that the dude from Kings and Queen was in this (as Louis)!
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link
bana is flashing on munich in this intimate moment (nevermind that he's seeing it as it happened; it'd be too difficult to show us his imagined version without incurring confusion) because spielberg wants to show us two things:
1) for the individual embroiled in it, revenge by terrorism has no logical beginning and no end. although bana has no direct connection to the events at munich, it nonetheless puts a machine in motion that will consume him, just as future terrorists will be consumed in the act of retaliating against his actions. the fact that bana wasn't even at munich is a critical component to him being haunted by it.
2) 'home' is as much about piece of mind and security as physical location (part of a larger statement about the counterintuitiveness of endangering family to fight for land)
― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link
on another note, did anybody notice that the middle of the film is a homage to Ronin, right down to Michael Lonsdale playing essentially the same character?!?
― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link
"Normally I would agree, but in this situation I think it is important. The Israel-Palestine conflict is one about which most Americans have very little knowledge and a great deal of misunderstandings. In terms of historical accuracy, this film comes off like something straight from Israeli propaganda, whatever Spielberg's intentions. Because of this, as much as I found the film enjoyable to watch, I think its garbage and will have many negative affects on the Palestinian struggle."
I have not yet seen the film but does anyone agree with this?
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― adamrl (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link
He's an anarchist *giggles*
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― alma, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 03:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 03:43 (eighteen years ago) link
The story isn't of the 'real' assassins (about whom almost nothing is known, the book could be a load of BS), so how they felt doesn't much matter.
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 04:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― alma, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 05:02 (eighteen years ago) link
you don't think the movie isn't aware of that?
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 05:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 06:27 (eighteen years ago) link
Tony Kushner, who wrote the scenario to Steven Spielberg's film "Munich", defends himself in an interview with Peter von Becker against accusations that he was sloppy in his research. "The problem is that there are no accessible documents on the background to the events in Munich in 1972 and their aftermath. Each informant only tells his own side of the story. We know Abu Daoud's version because he wrote a book about it. Now he's gone into hiding, all the while complaining that we didn't talk with him. In truth he's insulted that until now there's been no English translation of his book! (laughs) Even among the Israelis there are differing accounts. And some would like to cover up the fact that the trail of the bloody retaliation for Munich leads to Israel's prime minister at the time, Golda Meir. I have a lot of respect for Meir, and the film doesn't put her down. But without her, Palestinian terror suspects across Europe wouldn't have been hunted down and liquidated, and a lot of innocent lives would have been saved."
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link