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Side question, but I'm really interested in studying the evil Buddhism that the top post on this thread makes mention of. Can anyone suggest a book for me to read?

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 06:22 (fifteen years ago) link

What Make You Not A Buddhist -- Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse

^^^^ just read this, really liked it!

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 14:15 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...

My zafu finally saw some action today. Key question--will it tomorrow?

I was reading a section from Opening the Hand of Thought that really struck me this afternoon. I don't have it in front of me to quote it, but the gist was something like this:

We may have had many afternoons with friends or lovers in which time seems to pass without our noticing. We watch television or read a book or spend a morning in bed and before we know it many hours have passed, and we wonder "Where did the time go?" When we sit zazen we are sitting with the very passage of time. With nowhere to go and nowhere to be, we feel every moment like a cool breeze on our skin.

yo

http://blinkwax.com/pics1/dharmadan.jpg

like

yoooooo

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 7 July 2009 08:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks HOOS, it's free for download at the author's website as well!

Yeah I've actually been reading the .pdf lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 02:39 (fourteen years ago) link

ha i just downloaded it

bentley cadence (gbx), Wednesday, 8 July 2009 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link

The whole idea of like actual goal-oriented practice is really refreshing to me. Like ok, a moment of zazen is enlightenment itself--I get it, I've felt it, but there's more to learn and my mans Dogen seems supremely uninterested in what else there might be. To be completely honest I've always naively written off stuff about "higher forms of meditation" as dogma in saffron robes, but actually digging into this stuff in a practical way is really incredible and (forgive me) enlightening.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 02:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Like, I'd hear a dude start talking about jhanas and I'd just tune out. I feel pretty foolish about that now lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 02:55 (fourteen years ago) link

rejected display name--the arHOOS steendriver

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 13 July 2009 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link

o noes u on that theravada shit now

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Monday, 13 July 2009 05:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Right I mean I'm kinda...I've been skeptical for a long time and I'm even re-reading what I wrote the other day about Dogen and kinda going O_O @ myself, but I've never really taken Insight practice seriously until now and suddenly it's like I've been looking at the Dharma with one eye closed all this time. I'm trying to do insight & zazen practice on alternate days and they seem to complement each other well. A lot of the people who follow Ingram really closely seem to say that plunging full on into Insight gets you the benefits of Concentration practices without the extra work, but I'm not sure I'm willing to give up the grounding practice of following the breath just yet.

Plus feeling all my awareness pulse in and out of existence kind of freaks me out.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 13 July 2009 08:34 (fourteen years ago) link

What's there to be afraid of? Serious question.

Aimless, Monday, 13 July 2009 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link

"Plus feeling all my awareness pulse in and out of existence kind of freaks me out."

How is this feeling different from almost sleeping, or waking up before you want to wake up?

Philip Nunez, Monday, 13 July 2009 17:49 (fourteen years ago) link

How is this feeling different

It's like the difference between jumping into a swimming pool and showering with the showerhead set to *pulse*. The latter is very distinct and a much stranger sensation. Frightening only because it's unfamiliar.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 13 July 2009 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link

What's there to be afraid of? Serious question.

― Aimless, Monday, July 13, 2009 5:46 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

The unknown. A lot of Vipassana teachers warn about a dark period just after a major peak, and that worries me a little too. I need to find a local Insight teacher before I go too much further, but I'm plunging forward nonetheless.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 13 July 2009 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Is the feeling more distinct because you are not groggy while it's happening? I have this theory that there are a lot of protective sleep mechanisms (remaining immobile, forgetting dreams) that are for our own good, and maybe blunting this awareness pulsing is one of them.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 13 July 2009 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link

http://img2.mtime.com/mg/2008/28/84712e35-35a9-4ff4-a2c5-4bb70a0b4c40.jpg

开棺

恶臭陈秽,
何云美味,
掩鼻伤心,
为之堕泪,
智者善思,
能勿悲愧。

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乞命

吾不忍其觳觫,
无罪而就死地,
普劝诸仁者,
同发慈悲意。

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"我的腿!"

挟弩隐衣袂,入林群鸟号,
狗屠一鸣鞭,众吠从之嚣,
因果苟无徵,视斯亦已昭,
与其啖群生,宁我吞千刀。

dylannn, Monday, 13 July 2009 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.aimwell.org/

btw

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 13 July 2009 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i lol @ "download this website" every time i pull up the page

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 13 July 2009 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Is the feeling more distinct because you are not groggy while it's happening?

That's certainly plausible, but I'm sure that most of the clarity comes from direct application of attention vs. the gauzy unfocused haze coming out of sleep.

Like the difference between background dinner music & listening in the dark with headphones?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 13 July 2009 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm struggling to analogize here. Maybe the difference between shading with the side of a pencil and tracing on a tracing desk.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 13 July 2009 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Am I getting you any closer here?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 13 July 2009 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Sorry, that last question came off poorly-toned.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 13 July 2009 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Feeling your it-ness melting away is vertiginous. Reflex wants to yank you back from the edge.

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 00:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Jump! Jump! Jump! Jump!

Aimless, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link

<3

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 02:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I like that my bookmark means that every once in a while, I get a reminder that says "Buddhism has new answers". Makes me think.

mh, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link

lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I've joined Dharma Overground, the message board Ingram founded for people to discuss and assist others in this kind of practice. I've asked a couple questions and received helpful answers and I think anyone else who's looking at the book and attempting these practices may find the board helpful as well.

http://dharmaoverground.wetpaint.com/

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 15 July 2009 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link

When I clicked on this, the sidebar ad was "Obama asks moms to return to school Finish your degree Using Gov't Grants" and the ad represented moms with video of a lady doing crunches.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 15 July 2009 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link

lol

they need hosting like anybody

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 15 July 2009 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Hoo boy. Things happenin.

BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 19 July 2009 02:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I was just on my lunch break and, with 3 minutes to go on my break & having just read a really terrific and attitude-free set of instructions on jhana access, I wanted to see if I could dive right in. And I did. I got from reading instructions to the 2nd jhana (for the first time) in under 180 seconds! I'm just sort of shocked that--after having struggled to get to the 1st jhana earlier today for a full half hour--I was able to blow past it and into 2 so quickly thanks to some clearer instructions.

BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 19 July 2009 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, as is the standard effect of the 2nd jhana, I'm feeling really really terrific right now.

BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 19 July 2009 03:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I so want to learn single-point meditation but for some reason I never sit down and say "Ok, now i will do this"

Adam Bruneau, Monday, 20 July 2009 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Is breath-awareness really the best foundation you can have? I want to know where to start cos I feel like there is something in me that can get pretty far out there with this stuff but I'm kind of at a loss for a proper 'proven' place to start from...

Adam Bruneau, Monday, 20 July 2009 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Breath awareness works best for me, but something else may work best for you. Some of Ingram's suggestions in the book if you do want to focus on the breath:

If you are using the breath as an object, you might try purposefully visualizing it as sweet, smooth waves or circles that are peaceful and welcome. Try breathing as if you were in a garden of fragrant roses and you wish to experience the fullness of their fragrance. Perhaps these tips
will help illustrate the kind of non-resistant and peaceful presence that can help one attain these states. Tune into sensations in and around the primary object that feel good. Harbor no guilt, anxiety or fear related to the depths of pleasure, ease and well-being. The spiritual life need not The Concentration States (Samatha Jhanas) be some sort of relentless, austere grind, particularly when doing concentration practices.

Also, here's one of the articles I was mentioning earlier. Hope you find one of these helpful.

http://www.leighb.com/jhana3.htm

BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 20 July 2009 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, in the way of further breath concentration suggestion--as a dude who's spent the better part of a couple years trying to follow the breath with lots of frustrating difficulties getting settled--can I just say that noting the rising and falling of the abdomen as I breathed (giving the mind a little twig to play with while maintaining concentration) was like suddenly finding the key to start the ignition of concentration practice.

In The Jhanas Gunaratana goes in pretty good on the variety of ways to access samatha. Take a peek at the chapter--

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/gunaratana/wheel351.html#ch2.2

BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 20 July 2009 03:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess one doesn't "access" samatha, but I'm still working on getting all the new terminology straight. Transmission outside the scriptures left me with a lot of catching up to do.

BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 20 July 2009 03:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Spent the last few days doing a lot of thinking about the idea of arhatship as a goal vs. the Bodhisattva ideal. If you know me much at all you know that the idea of 'saving all beings' speaks to me deeply, and so the Bodhisattva vows in particular have always meant a great deal to me. There were days where I found myself wondering 'how exactly is sitting on a pillow helping to save any beings, let alone all beings?" For the most part, though, it meant something to me to engage with the world in a compassionate way and feel that it was a part of my practice. Coming from that side of the aisle, the idea that I should focus on liberating my own mind so that I can be an enlightened being is a little jarring. Arhat or Bodhisattva??

Then I read this:

The conflict essentially arises as a result of conceiving the arahant and the bodhisattva in terms of self-view. When there is no clinging to any view, the picture radically changes. The Buddha said, “Held by two kinds of views, some hold back and some overreach; only those with vision see.” The former means some people are life-affirmers, delighting in the things of the world. When teachings refer to letting go and cessation, their minds recoil and hold back. By “some overreach,” he means nihilists who rejoice in the idea of non-being, asserting that when the body dies, this self is annihilated. They feel this will be true peace. “Those with vision” see what has come to be as having come to be. They cultivate dispassion toward that and are at ease with its cessation.

As long as self-view has not been penetrated, the mind will miss the middle way. The “ending of rebirth” ideal will tend to get co-opted by the nihilist view, whereas the “endlessly returning for the sake of all beings” ideal will tend to become permeated with the eternalist view.

When the sense of self is seen through, the middle way is realized. Whether we talk in terms of emptiness of the arahant of the Pali Canon, or in terms of the absolute zero of the Heart Sutra or the infinite view of the four vows, these are merely modes of speech. They all derive from the same source, the truth of the way things are. They are simply expedient formulations that guide the heart to attunement with the reality of its own nature. That attunement is the middle way.

The View from the Center

There are many teachings that illuminate this perspective; for example:

As long as space remains,
As long as sentient beings remain,
Until then, may I too remain
And dispel the miseries of the world.
—Shantideva, Guide to the Bodhisattva’s Way of Life

To the average Theravadan, this verse by Shantideva might seem antithetical to the path. It appears to run completely counter to that principle to get out of the burning house as soon as one can. However, the practice of the middle way involves taking up compassion teachings along with their partner, the emptiness teachings. These two elements are like the wings of a bird—they can’t function properly without each other.

If we reflect closely on this verse, another layer of meaning opens up: as long as space and identity are held to have substantial reality, the mind has not realized enlightenment. True insight involves recognizing that space, time, and being are imputed qualities that have no absolute existence.

Thus the Southern idea of “me going” and “others left behind” must be missing the mark. Similarly, the Northern view of “this individual being will persist through infinite time for the sake of other beings” has also fallen into wrong view. The practice of the middle way dissolves the illusion that “I” can “go” and “others” can “stay,” or vice versa. It radically reconfigures the concepts of time, space, and being.

So the aspiration can validly be as it is in the verse; but if space no longer remains, if no beings remain, if their nature is recognized as conditioned and therefore empty, what does that say about the “I” who would be “staying”?

The irony is that upon knowing that time, space, and beings have no substantial reality, the “I” is “gone” too—gone to suchness, come to suchness: Tathagata.

Sri Ramana Maharshi once remarked, “A good man says, ‘Let me be the last man to get liberation, so that I may help all others to be liberated before I am.’ Wonderful! Imagine a dreamer saying, ‘May all these dream people wake up before I do.’ The dreamer is no more absurd than this amiable philosopher.” His analysis astutely sums up the issue: only when the heart is free of all self-view can it attune itself to reality; a precise balance is needed.

In The Vajra Prajna Paramita Sutra, we find passages that voice a similar understanding:

Subhuti, what do you think? You should not maintain that the Tathagata has this thought: “I shall take living beings across.” Subhuti, do not have that thought. And why? There are actually no living beings taken across by the Tathagata. If there were living beings taken across by the Tathagata, then the Tathagata would have the existence of a self, of others, of living beings, and of a life. Subhuti, the existence of a self spoken of by the Tathagata is no existence of a self, but common people take it as the existence of a self.

We save all beings by realizing there are no beings. The perfection of wisdom is to see this fact: ultimately, the truth is not self and not other; there is no arahant, no bodhisattva, no birth, no death. Though the heart might incline to compassion, it’s only when we cultivate this wisdom element as well that there is going to be true spiritual fulfillment.

Experience shows that in order to realize a fulfillment that maximally benefits all, we need to know our traits and learn how to balance them out. If we’re a wisdom type—intent on realizing nibbana to get out as quickly as possible—then it’s necessary to develop compassion. We need to lean toward people and things. Or, if we’re an altruistic type, feeling, “I’ve got to stay around until everyone else has been saved,” then we need to incline toward the emptiness of things.

In the equipoise of the middle way, the infinite and the void are sustained. They complement each other; they balance each other out.

Helpful.

BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 09:10 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/302/fenriz.png

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 October 2009 04:31 (fourteen years ago) link

wait

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 October 2009 04:31 (fourteen years ago) link

lol?

a perfect urkel (gbx), Monday, 12 October 2009 04:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Well since I"ve revived this anyway--

My practice fell off hard right at the beginning of August, but in the last couple days I've jumped back in. I'm trying to start a sitting group here on the Southside, I'm sitting about an hour a day in three sets of 20 mins, and I'm hitting a wall at 2nd jhana.

But w/e. Keep sitting, it'll come.

It kinda goes against the all-or-nothing approach I take to ideology in my life (fundamentalist youth minister in training to militant atheist &c) but I'm letting myself take a slightly more syncretic approach to the Dharma. Not sure if I'm completely comfortable with it yet, but I'm reading Therevada stuff along with my Zen texts & a little Trungpa sprinkled in. It's weird. I still feel like I need to pick a lineage and stick to it, but I feel like that's hard to do without a teacher in the area.

eh

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 October 2009 04:48 (fourteen years ago) link

i need to start sitting again

sufi buddy of mine sits for 2 hours a day :-/

a perfect urkel (gbx), Monday, 12 October 2009 04:49 (fourteen years ago) link

He has externalized his fourth chakra through his nose?

Aimless, Monday, 12 October 2009 04:50 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

What Make You Not A Buddhist -- Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse

still wanna know if anyone else has read this, or if it's just wee-wee buddhism lite for western herbs

also just got zen at war from the library and have read the first chapter---v interesting! but will have to wait until after exams :-/

itdn put butt in the display name (gbx), Thursday, 19 November 2009 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.jetcityorange.com/Buddhism/Heart-Sutra-wordle.gif
word cloud of the heart sutra

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 07:04 (fourteen years ago) link


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