Katrina's aftermath

i am not as well-versed as i'd like to be in the biohistory of the basin but i'd imagine that it's a problem that's existed as long as the army corps of engineers, morelike.

Louisiana could have tried to raise the money itself, but instead argued with the government over funding until it was too late.

SELA was a government program that, voila, became an under-funded mandate (like many programs during the bush administration). nor do i think it is necessarily "fair" to claim that louisiana should carry the burden alone considering the federal government as far as i can tell, thru the corps of engineers, was responsible for maintaining the canal and pump system.

Hell, the work could have been done a decade or more ago; everyone was aware of the problem then, and nothing was done.

SELA was started 10 years ago. something was done.

The only thing it proves is that politicians will argue as the world falls apart around them, and probably afterwards too.

not quite what i'm inferring but to each his own.

xpost - alan there's a topicality and urgency that was present to it after recent hurricane seasons, even drudge had a 'nola endangered' hed that he's trumping now, and despite this bush still ignored reality, still cut funding, still persisted in his attempts to dismantle fema, still continued chipping away at this country's readiness and security. his fuckups here are merely a small part of a much larger pattern.

But they chose to spend their money elsewhere as well. Who built the Superdome? There's some sense of self responsibility as well here, seeing as they live there.

>SELA was started 10 years ago. something was done.<

"started". So no one realized until 1995 that maybe, just maybe, a big city filled with people all under the sea level that existed solely because there were pumps and levees might be in trouble in case it has a hurricane?

Well, Mr. Smugly, I couldn't find any pictures of her playing a guitar.

And it's good to see those kind of Craigslistings. The only ones I saw were the NIGGERS QUIT LOOTING messages.

the superdome is much older than SELA.

"started". So no one realized until 1995 that maybe, just maybe, a big city filled with people all under the sea level that existed solely because there were pumps and levees might be in trouble in case it has a hurricane?

they realized it for sure, try READING my post next time: In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts.

But this part of it is all bullshit. I didn't vote for the man, I have no love for him, etc, but its BS. Its people trying desperately to find any possible failing the man had to drag him through the mud with. You've basically got a state who didn't want to fund the program, the federal government who was but also didn't want to, and they argued for the last couple years over who should until it was to late. People just want to villify George as the villian because its convienent to them. Take that article: " even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically"...well, it had. Over a two year period. That's not much to look at realistically, but if you write it a certain way, it makes it look like it was blatantly obvious to anyone that 2005 was a surefire busy year for hurricanes.

also, this from Marketwatch:
While most storms have only a regional impact, Katrina could be the rare beast that has national or even international consequences.

"There is a real sense of foreboding about the economy now that Katrina has struck with full force," said Bernard Baumohl, executive director of Economic Outlook Group. "The Louisiana and Mississippi Gulf region represent the soft underbelly of the U.S. energy industry."

Katrina took aim at a vulnerable chokepoint for U.S. energy markets. The region not only produces a large percentage of domestic oil and gas, it is also a transportation hub for both imported and domestic production.

And much of the petroleum that Americans use is refined at facilities along the ravaged Gulf coast.

Less supply of energy means less production and consumption.

In addition, New Orleans and other Gulf ports handle $150 billion in cargo each year, accounting for about a fifth of U.S. imports and exports. The cities hardest hit account for about 7% of U.S. trade.

Major exports include grain, poultry, paper, rice and chemicals. Major imports, aside from petroleum, include steel, rubber, plywood and coffee.

The magnitude of the storm's destructive swath is only gradually becoming clear. A complete assessment of the damage to the region's economy could take months or even years, said John Norris, chief economist for Morgan Trust Management.

Even in the best-case scenario, production of crude petroleum, natural gas and refined gasoline are likely to be severely stunted for at least several weeks as Gulf production and refineries go back on line.

Last year, Hurricane Ivan, which tracked further east than Katrina, knocked out about 10% of U.S. energy production for about four months.

About 22% of Gulf oil and 5% of Gulf natural gas production can be expected to be disrupted for more than a month from Katrina, according to a Kinetic Analysis Corp., which has developed a computer model for hurricane assessment. About a quarter of all U.S. domestic oil and gas is produced in the Gulf.

About 50% of oil and 28% of gas production in the Gulf can be expected to be disrupted for 10 to 30 days, the company said.

The storm likely caused $24.3 billion in damages, said Chuck Watson, director of research for Kinetic Analysis. If the breaks in the levees in New Orleans are not repaired within the next six hours or so, damages would increase by $8 billion to $10 billion, he said.

Just before the storm hit, Kinetic Analysis was estimating the storm could cost $50 billion, but the storm weakened slightly and shifted to the east.

If disruptions in Gulf energy supplies are limited, retail gasoline prices could top $3 a gallon for a couple of months, said Nariman Behravesh, chief economist for Global Insight. High energy prices would likely cut consumption and knock 0.3 to 0.5 percentage points off U.S. gross domestic product.

"We are not at the worst-case scenario," Behravesh told MarketWatch. "But we are moving in that direction" as companies assess the damage to their facilities.

In a worst-case scenario, the storm could shut down deliveries of as much as 25% of U.S. energy needs for several months.

In that case, gasoline prices would average $3.50 a gallon for the next four to six months, Behravesh said, cutting U.S. growth to zero in the fourth quarter.

You're missing my point. Its not as if they can't come up with funding for public works projects in some way. They just chose to spend it elsewhere and depend on the federal government instead. When the federal government decided not to spend the money, the Louisiana state government decided to fight about it (big shock, given the disinterest in federal highway funds all those years).

>they realized it for sure, try READING my post next time: In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts.<

So then why wasn't more done from a state level? Oh, that's right, they were too busy fighting with the federal government over funding. Now we get to watch the blame game. Well, here's where the blame should go: all the leaders in Louisiana state and pretty much everyone in Congress or the Presidency over that time who decided to put off building the necessary levees until the last decade.

ok so since 1995 is much later than 1695 when the first frenchman put his boot in the swamp (or whenever), everything is just too late anyway?

incidentally, how many mayors survive the loss of a sports team? i mean yeah stadiums are profiligacy defined but you know damn well the political pressures surrounding them, in any city; that money is always "better" spent.

but fuck it, this "well they were below sea level, and right on the coast!" is a fucking nasty look-what-she-was-wearing argument. the city had been saying for YEARS "we're vulnerable down here, send $$" and now that hell and highwater have come, the realists reply with "well look how vulnerable you were"

well let's imagine how well life would work if no one, anywhere was permitted to live w/in 100 miles of a coastline, 75 miles of a major faultline, 50 miles of a major river, or in any region affected by seasonal violent meteorology... they're just asking for it otherwise! isn't that the logical extension of that argument?

Is that any different than saying "Lets point fingers just to point fingers"? I mean, Bush is as much at fault as any other president over the last 50 years, as much as any US Congress, as much as his advisors who probably told him that they could cut funding there, as much as the various people in Louisiana's government who passed on finishing the projects and left it up to the federal government to take care of at some time far in the future, etc. Its a huge, horrible tragedy, and its fallacy to put it in the lap of any one man, no matter how unliked.

So therefore, its okay for states to ignore issues within themselves and demand federal dollars, even as they spend state funds on less urgent needs (eg, football stadiums)? The Saints, btw, never would have left: they were an expansion team. New Orleans did lose the Jazz, however, to Utah after being financially unsuccessful.

talking about it now is probably a bit useless and ugly while people are still swimming to safety, so I apologize for reposting the picture (though it is seriously going down in history next to 'my pet goat').

my thoughts are utterly with New Orleans right now, though I can't pretend I can even begin to imagine what it must be like there. I've heard from my friends at Tulane, they're all safe, just dazed and wondering what happens next.

xpost alan the saints are frequently mentioned as a team likely to move already with the superdome. considering how much of nola industry is tied into the tourist dollar and how much that status is due to the sugar bowl and 'the super bowl should be in new orleans every year' cw i'm not sure the superdome isn't the rare case of a stadium being slightly justified under the usual 'good for business' logic.

Its because A) The Superdome is old B) The Saints aren't all that profitable. Its a small population base for a NFL city, and a poor one at that.

>considering how much of nola industry is tied into the tourist dollar and how much that status is due to the sugar bowl and 'the super bowl should be in new orleans every year' cw i'm not sure the superdome isn't the rare case of a stadium being slightly justified under the usual 'good for business' logic.<

Well, the Superbowl being around for a week every 5 years or so is tough justification for it, given the costs involved. I'm sure the Kingdome in Seattle did its fair share of business...but it was mired in debt when imploded. Olympic Stadium in Montreal is much the same. Besides, I don't know that the Super Bowl being in New Orleans every few years some how made New Orleans more of a tourist destination. I'd love to see the numbers on it, but I can't imagine so.

"Oh, Katrina, tra-la-la" (etc.)

look not to be pedantic but the point is it's essential to everyone that someone live and work in places where shit like this happens. rivers, coastlines, and alluvial plains are the bases of civilization; i really can't listen to a general tone (not that anyone has really struck it very hard if at all here) of argument that these places are somehow frivolous.

No one's saying that its frivolous. There's just a general question of blame over what occurred right now that people are beginning to have. Sure, there are coastlines and places next to faults and so on...but New Orleans had a set of circumstances that was special that makes it especially vulnerable; more so than other cities. St. Louis may be near the Mississippi River, but it would take a catastrophe beyond the realms of what we know in weather to cause this kind of devastation to its metro area. Its near miraculous this didn't happen in 1992 or 1995 or 1998 or 2001.

xpost - o yeah i definitely wasn't disagreeing with geoff, i was just curious how many cities aren't 'asking for it' by the argument floating around (i could even imagine scenarios where atlanta ('it's hot! the entire city was doomed to dehydrate eventually!') or boise ('it's cold! they were doomed to freeze to death eventually! plus that blue astroturf - they were asking for it!') or even denver ('that thin air! and coors promoting incest! they were doomed to have three legged babies eventually!').

BATON ROUGE -- Gov. Kathleen Blanco called for an
evacuation of the 20,000 storm refugees from the
Superdome after she visited the hurricane-damaged
stadium Tuesday evening for the second time of the
day.

She set no timetable for the withdrawal but insisted
that the facility was damaged, degrading and no longer
able to support the local citizens who had sought
refuge in the Dome from Hurricane Katrina.

“It’s a very, very desperate situation,” Blanco said
late Tuesday after returning to the capital from her
visit, when she comforted the exhausted throngs of
people, many of whom checked in over the weekend.
“It’s imperative that we get them out. The situation
is degenerating rapidly.”

Blanco also said the people in the New Orleans
hospitals were being moved out.

The Dome has no electricity, holes in the roof have
let in water and the sanitary conditions are growing
worse, Blanco said.

“It’s a little rough in there,” Blanco said.

Also word on Slidell:

Slidell Police and emergency officials continued to mop up Tuesday
after the devastating flooding that overwhelmed much of the southern half of Slidell following the glancing blow from Hurricane
Katrina’s eye wall.

Entire neighborhoods in low-lying areas were under
more than seven feet of water, leaving many families trapped in attics or on second floors.
Slidell Police and St. Tammany Parish Sheriff’s Office deputies have
been combing through neighborhoods hit by the flooding since after the strongest winds
ceased Monday afternoon, said Capt. Rob Callahan, a Slidell Police spokesman.

Police had rescued more than 100 people as of Tuesday afternoon, he
said, none of whom were injured.

At the height of the storm Monday, major flooding extended from Lake Pontchartrain through Olde Towne and up to Fremaux Avenue

But by Tuesday afternoon, much of the
flood water had receded from neighborhoods closest to the lake such as Oak Harbor and Eden Isles. Many portions of Pontchartrain
Drive and its adjoining neighborhoods still were beneath at least three
feet of water.

Late Tuesday, Gov. Blanco spokeswoman Denise Bottcher described a disturbing scene unfolding in uptown New Orleans, where looters were trying to break into Children's Hospital.

Bottcher said the director of the hospital fears for the safety of the staff and the 100 kids inside the hospital. The director said the hospital is locked, but that the looters were trying to break in and had gathered outside the facility.

The director has sought help from the police, but, due to rising flood waters, police have not been able to respond.

Bottcher said Blanco has been told of the situation and has informed the National Guard. However, Bottcher said, the National Guard has also been unable to respond.

(...something about this seems weird to me -- if there's actual danger then by all means this is fucked but I'd want to know more about this.)

Well, apparently New Madrid is overdue for a nice big earthshaker, so they say. The last one there changed the Mississippi River's course.

And there's that Yellowstone/supervolcano thingie.

Info on parish and road access:
St. Charles: Only St. Charles parish residents can return to their homes. There is no power, low fuel and no food. If you must return home, please bring supplies with you. Hwy 90, I-10, Hwy 3127 and Airline are all open. However, there is water on Airline near the St. Charles/Jefferson Parish line.
Terrebonne: No road closures. Use Hwy 90 or the Sunshine Bridge.
Lafourche : As of 2 p.m. Monday, the curfew was lifted. Go directly to your homes. Hwy 1 is closed between Golden Meadow and Grande Isle.
St. James: Open to residents only.
St. John: Open to residents only. You need your ID.
Jefferson: You can return Monday with your ID. You will be allowed to collect your belongings and will not be allowed to return for a month.
Orleans: Closed. The Highrise is not safe to cross. Many parts of I-10 are flooded.
Plaqeumines: Closed.
St. Bernard: Closed.
St. Tammany: I-10 and the Twinspans are destroyed, but the Hwy 11 bridge is intact.
Washington: No information available. Lines are busy!
Tangiphoa: No information available. Lines are busy.
Other road information:
--Hwy 90 between Lafayette and St. Charles Parish line/Lafourche parish line is open.
--Hwy 308/Valentine, south of that area is closed.
--Hwy 3185 (Thibodeaux Bypass) is closed.
--La Bourg Larose Hwy is closed.

And with that I'm getting some sleep. Hope everyone's friends and loved ones are okay.

My GF went to Tulane. Came home weeping. Christ.

Uhh.. looters? Might it not just be desperate cold/wet/injured people going to a hospital for help?

they could want drugs.

Donation to the Red Cross would be a good start. Donate what you'd spend on a night of drinking at a bar. ILX alone could raise hundreds of thousands of dollars at that rate ; )

xpost -- i already made my donation. it was more than my average night of drinking.