whenever she talks about the 60s she's like a really uncharitable parody of a boomer
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 11 October 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
what is this weird "I totally complained about that BEFORE IT EVEN HAPPENED" rhetorical tack she seems so fond of
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 October 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
ugh, i can't believe this is the paglia thread that u guys bumped. we have such a better one!
― Mordy, Thursday, 11 October 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
did it include this
http://images.tcj.com/2011/12/Mbooty6-a.jpg
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 October 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
my preferred paglia thread:sexual personae
― Mordy, Thursday, 11 October 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
"Her book is over 700 pages long!"
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 11 October 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
ah yes the Vision thread
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 October 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
xp
Hi!
Ms. Paglia observes this phenomenon up close with her 11-year-old son, Lucien, whom she is raising with her ex-partner, Alison Maddex, an artist and public-school teacher who lives 2 miles away. She sees the tacit elevation of "female values"—such as sensitivity, socialization and cooperation—as the main aim of teachers, rather than fostering creative energy and teaching hard geographical and historical facts.
By her lights, things only get worse in higher education. "This PC gender politics thing—the way gender is being taught in the universities—in a very anti-male way, it's all about neutralization of maleness." The result: Upper-middle-class men who are "intimidated" and "can't say anything. . . . They understand the agenda." In other words: They avoid goring certain sacred cows by "never telling the truth to women" about sex, and by keeping "raunchy" thoughts and sexual fantasies to themselves and their laptops.
Politically correct, inadequate education, along with the decline of America's brawny industrial base, leaves many men with "no models of manhood," she says. "Masculinity is just becoming something that is imitated from the movies. There's nothing left. There's no room for anything manly right now." The only place you can hear what men really feel these days, she claims, is on sports radio. No surprise, she is an avid listener. The energy and enthusiasm "inspires me as a writer," she says, adding: "If we had to go to war," the callers "are the men that would save the nation."
And men aren't the only ones suffering from the decline of men. Women, particularly elite upper-middle-class women, have become "clones" condemned to "Pilates for the next 30 years," Ms. Paglia says. "Our culture doesn't allow women to know how to be womanly," adding that online pornography is increasingly the only place where men and women in our sexless culture tap into "primal energy" in a way they can't in real life.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 December 2013 21:42 (ten years ago) link
She's got to stop reading Momus' old clickopera blog.
― mohel hell (Bob Six), Sunday, 29 December 2013 21:56 (ten years ago) link
i hate to go there (really) but, if you're so twisted up about disappearing masculinity, why did you name your kid 'lucien'
― napgenius (goole), Sunday, 29 December 2013 23:53 (ten years ago) link
every paragraph is funnier than the last
http://time.com/72546/drinking-age-alcohol-repeal/
― goole, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link
both dionysus and PCP are referenced
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/28/camille_paglia_how_bill_clinton_is_like_bill_cosby/
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:22 (nine years ago) link
It’s a very sophisticated style among the French, and generally in Europe, where the heads of state tend to have mistresses on the side. So what? That doesn’t bother me at all! But the point is, they are sophisticated affairs that the European politicians have,
lol waht
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:28 (nine years ago) link
she's such a buffoon
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
DSK raping a hotel maid, Berlusconi banging underage prostitutes, so sophisticated
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:30 (nine years ago) link
otoh "I’m not talking in terms of the men’s rights movement, which got infected by p.c." is pretty A+ zing
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link
I don't even know what that means tbh
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
MRA guys are generally virulently anti-pc, aren't they?
nah, they are always adopting tumblr pc lingo (which turns out to be very malleable for whatever u need)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link
you'll forgive me for staring at the URL a little while longer
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
i find that she's always on the right side of the line between tedious and hilarious
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link
are you serious
― Joan Crawford Loves Chachi, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
yeah, someone mentioned ann coulter in the salon comments but i can't read any coulter. she's just asinine + shrill + stupid. paglia is really trolly but can be provocative. she's like off-beat enough that i find her more of a crank than just some boring ideologue.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
paglia is a cruel ideologue
http://www.macleans.ca/authors/emma-teitel/camille-paglia-on-rob-ford-rihanna-and-rape-culture/
Can we teach men not to rape, as some argue?
A: You can try to teach people to make ethical judgments. Telling a rapist not to rape? [Laughs] A liberal ideology is out there that people are basically good. It’s a bourgeois version of reality—this idea that the whole world should be like a bourgeois living room and anyone who doesn’t belong, you can retrain. No you can’t! I was raised in the Italian working-class way, which is “watch out!” The world is a dangerous place. It’s up to you to protect yourself, not just from rape, but from anything. The lack of imagination for criminality amazes me. There are people who are evil. The problem here is the inability of women to project themselves into the minds of men. Feminists say [proper, mocking tone] “women have the right to do whatever they want.” Of course we have the right to do whatever we want–to be jogging with earphones on with our breasts going like this [simulates breasts bouncing]. Yes you have the right to but it’s also stupid! I see with the eyes of the criminal. I must have a criminal mind.
"lack of imagination for criminality," you don't say
― goole, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
But like I think there's truth in what she's saying. I think there is this current in popular culture of "tell your sons not to rape" which ignores that rapists are already violating serious + widespread social taboos and probably are not just confused about the ethics of their behavior. there's a psychopathy to these kinds of violent crimes (i'd include murder too) that means that certain social remedies - like robust legal prosecution of rapists, believing rape victims - can definitely help and others - explain how rape is wrong - are just silly.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 17:46 (nine years ago) link
Now, in order to understand that, people would have to read my first book, “Sexual Personae”–which of course is far too complex for the ordinary feminist or academic mind!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
bet she insisted on inserting the exclamation point
Paglia is the Great Kat of philosophy.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
The one place we should be worried about is India.
Because it's concerning to see a problem with rape in a rapidly developing, pluralistic democracy? Or is she actually implying that India has a larger rape problem than any other country in the world, which seems absurd?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
Thanks for that link, 誤訳侮辱!
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 17:57 (nine years ago) link
I'd guess the latter why because she is an idiot
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 17:58 (nine years ago) link
yep, i'd forgotton about the Great Kat and her website is now the highlight of my day
― lil urbane (Jordan), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
She is a liberal arts humanities scholar, then? On her Wikipedia page, she is described as an 'academic and social critic' with no mention of her discipline, as far as I can tell. From her University of the Arts page, I can see that she teaches in Humanities and Media Studies but her degrees are listed with no mention of what fields they were granted in. Seems curious.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
Were her degrees in art history? I have a bachelor's in art history and there is plenty of scholarship in that field which is more difficult than her magnum opus, which seems to have been written for people who were angry at the difficulty of liberal arts scholarship. It was pandering.
― Fake Sam's Club Membership (I M Losted), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
We’re in a period right now where nobody asks any questions about psychology. No one has any feeling for human motivation. No one talks about sexuality in terms of emotional needs and symbolism and the legacy of childhood. Sexuality has been politicized–“Don’t ask any questions!” “No discussion!” “Gay is exactly equivalent to straight!” And thus in this period of psychological blindness or inertness, our art has become dull.
do any of these sentences ring true to anyone?
― goole, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link
i'd answer but i'm afraid of getting yelled at for contradicting the orthodoxy
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link
there aren't as many freudians around as there were in the 70s, that's true i guess
― goole, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 18:49 (nine years ago) link
just ask yrself "what would Camille Paglia do?"
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:46 (nine years ago) link
Again with the neo-caveman aesthetic rockism. Technology has changed everything. We don't have time for Sistine Chapels anymore - what's more, I don't think we miss them. People are currently more literate in stuff that really matters, like the environment.
"Our art was better in the past" is a fascist sentiment. She has a lot of pompous Nazi aesthetics. We don't need fascist mouthpieces right now in the US.
― Fake Sam's Club Membership (I M Losted), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
camille paglia likes being yelled at i think xp
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
Godwin's Paglia
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:55 (nine years ago) link
when it doubt Mordy just say something catty about Gloria Steinem
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:56 (nine years ago) link
She keeps doing Ancient Greece, especially the different periods in art, and we should all know what an unhappy society that was. She's, like, stuck there. Why read her when you could read much better works on Greek art and society - written by people who don't think we have to live there.
― Fake Sam's Club Membership (I M Losted), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
it is kinda weird how fixated she is on the virtues of her own cultural heritage, Italian manly men and peasant matriarchs, etc.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
I'm Italian, too, and she's full of shit and insulting. My Italian great-grandparents were practically socialist, and none of my relatives insulted women. None of the guys in my family were particularly macho, and my own grandfather married a feminist who worked in the steel mills.
She has no business making ignorant comments like this about the industrial working class:
Politically correct, inadequate education, along with the decline of America's brawny industrial base, leaves many men with "no models of manhood," she says.
Right. I'm sure she's a brave class warrior.
― Fake Sam's Club Membership (I M Losted), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
if I had to hazard a guess I'd bet she prefers Mussolini to Gramsci (also lol she appears to have been completely silent about Berlusconi)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link
Does she discuss Italy ever? Prob. not for fear of embarrassment. They have enough traditionalists over there anyway, and the ones they have are prob. less egotistical.
It's like she needs the brawny working class to suffer for her argument. When were they ever a role model for anyone above them?
― Fake Sam's Club Membership (I M Losted), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link
like, contemporary Italian politics etc.? idk, altho I did find some interview she did about Pope Francis and the Church recently. She is always citing her Italian family and Catholic upbringing tho
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link