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iPad minis smaller

The idea of there being a market for a tablet sized between iphone and ipad baffles me.

my mom wants one, she also wants it to literally be a phone

I think she's the mythical Samsung Galaxy Note consumer

have you used a kindle for reading books, it's a nice size, not annoying to hold up for long periods of time

Kindle Fire and Nook Color both sell and have multiple iterations.

if this thing has a low-res screen it's going to be shit to read

lol @ how many resolutions app developers are going to have to support, btw

Gruber linked speculation a ways back that the iPad mini could have the same resolution in pixels as the iPads 1 and 2, just denser

Smaller

don't really see what the difference is between the ipad and ipad mini

iPad has a 10" screen, iPad mini is for women to absorb their menstrual flow

it's the o.b. of tablets.

don't really see what the difference is between the ipad and ipad mini

nobody will until next week

someone just asked the skritter people whether their iphone app would work 'on the iPad minis'

this is pretty much a defensive move by apple to stave off kindle/nook/android tablets, it's more about price point than it is about form factor tbh

it'll cannibalize some ipod touch sales but a smart business move if they want to continue to own the tablet space

if priced right this will end up in a lot of kids stockings this xmas

little bastards

always shoplifting

my wife got her 8gb iphone 4 for free from verizon, there's no other smartphone with that same deal. apple's goal at this point seems to be mass saturation to keep their ecosystem thriving, which is smart because it's how they continue to hold off competition (e.g. windows phone and the new blackberry will be DOA when the tumbleweeds are seen rolling through their respective app stores).

they're huge enough to do some loss leader action and still come out ahead so the thing I'm most curious about the ipad mini is price point. signs point to $249 but $199 would absolutely demolish the competition.

I haven't read much about this but know people have brought it up...but how can they win on price when a Kindle Fire is already cheaper than an iPod Touch, so everyone's assuming the iPad Mini has to cost more than the Touch, no?

no

iPad mini cheaper than all but one of the iPod touches seems crazy to me, but Horace agrees: http://www.asymco.com/2012/10/17/ios-portfolio-price-distribution/

they're not really winning on price so much as providing good value at a huge range of price points

xp

a no-contract iphone 4/5 is more expensive than an iPad.

I really hope this is an electronic photo frame, just to embarrass all the technorati dicks who think they know everything

initial projections were a $299 price point, some rumors from a european retailer indicate $249, but part of the price equation is specs/value. is a kindle at $199 worth an ipad mini at $249? I know what 90% of kids in america would say.

what was that seth meyers line - this xmas thousands of kids received a kindle fire from their grandparents who always buy the wrong thing?

xps

does anyone here have a kindle fire or know someone who has one? my friends all passed them off to relatives

My girlfriend has one, a gift from her father. She likes it fine. She doesn't use any apps. She reads books (currently Wuthering Heights), reads and writes emails and surfs the web. I've used it a few times and I find it fine for those purposes. Compared to the considerably larger and more expensive iPad, I see it's appeal. Compared to a similarly-sized slightly more expensive iPad Mini, less so.

However, Amazon has been successful not stealing users from Apple, but growing from regular Kindle users. Someone who may not see the appeal of an iPad but love their kindle, then you tell them "hey this kindle lets you watch TV shows" or whatever. Without really thinking about that you can do that and more and better w/ an iPad...including the part about reading Kindle titles.

From what I understand, Apple is positioning the iPod mini (or whatever they call it) as an alternative to Kindle/Nook-type dedicated book readers - basically an e-reader that can do other things too, more than as a direct competitor to existing small all-purpose tablets which thus far haven't sold very well. I don't think it will cannibalize iPod touch sales even at the same price - it doesn't fit in your pocket which is a key attribute of the both the iPod Touch and the iPhone.

Yeah, feel like iPod Touch is the games/teens/apps device, iPad mini is the reader/commuter/thirtysomething device. Hence overlapping prices.

I've watched streamed video from Amazon on an iPad and used the Kindle iPad app, and from what I've heard the experience is as good or better on an iPad than on the Fire. The main issue being that you have to purchase the book/video/music/subscription on the web instead of from in the app, but that's not an issue when I'm using Amazon Prime videos or whatever. Purchasing books from a classic Kindle kind of sucks, anyway.

I still think the number of friends I have who regularly listen to music off of an Android-powered phone is nearly zero while iPhone users seem to use it for music more? Might be due to my demographic being skewed, since I bet kids use them for music.

it's still easier to get music and manage it on an Apple device, or at least that's the prevailing perception.

I do think the new iPod Touch is a bit pricey for the market they're aiming at though. I'm impressed with the device itself though.

I don't think it will cannibalize iPod touch sales even at the same price - it doesn't fit in your pocket which is a key attribute of the both the iPod Touch and the iPhone.

― Lee626, Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:02 PM (15 minutes ago)

I was considering upgrading my daughter's ipod touch 2 this xmas, but I'd get her the ipad mini instead if the price point is comparable, I have to imagine others will be in the same boat

I'm sure many will compare the two, in the same way many have decided between a Macbook Air and an iPad 3, but ultimately they'll appeal to different people. I just wouldn't want to carry around a 7 or 8" tablet everywhere I go so if I had to choose only one, I'd go with the iPod touch. But if I used it more for reading than music i'd get the iPad mini.

well yeah, "cannibalize" usually means taking some portion of sales, I'm not saying the ipad mini is going to completely replace the touch

(and Apple of course famously doesn't worry about cannibalizing its own products. The iPhone has obv cut deeply into iPod sales, etc.)

If you don't cannibalise your own products somebody else will, look at the poor blackberry.

There's some very OTM posts up there. In the states at least there still isn't really a market for tablets, there is a market for kjindles and a market for iPads. I think its absolutely right that the Kindle Fire is being sold as the Kindle plus rather than an iPad competitor because, at the moment, anything that gets sold as an iPad competitor suffers from not being an iPad, even if it is a nominally better device. For a long time now, apple has been able to sell hardware with inferior specs because people want the ecosystem.

Does the Nexus 7 not sell well in the US then? Fairly popular here in the UK and looks a good bit of kit for the price.

The iPad is really the only tablet that's selling in States. Retailers say "there isn't a market for tablets; there's a market for iPads".

I don't think that will last indefinitely though. There's lots of good Android apps by now, but most of them are designed for phones, not large-screen tablets.

(iPad projected to account for 75% of US tablet sales - stats here)

....in 2012 that is.

i need to learn to proofread my posts before submitting

http://shawnblanc.net/2012/10/iphone-5/

i just...

KILL HIM.

shouldn't warning signs be going off in your head if you spend more loving detail talking about your phone than your kid, even in a post about said phone? like maybe "hmmm, perhaps I should stop jackin' it to my phone and give my child a hug" or something? I dunno

i can't even

is it bad to jack it to your phone while hugging your child? next on ilx

i could see the ipad mini taking off as a Utility Tablet---could be v useful in a hospital tbh

Maybe someone will finally develop a half decent and non butt-ugly EMR.

I don't know much about EMRs but I would bet Epic would figure out how to compile MUMPS down to objective-C bytecode before they'd spend money making something attractive

can't wait for tomorrow, when the ipad mini know-it-alls will actually know it all