― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 06:32 (nineteen years ago) link
Hmmm... that's an excellent thought, and it makes me rethink my question. The horror of The Exorcist is rooted in religion, for sure. The Catholic Church endorsed the movie when it came out, and encouraged people to see it to witness the horrors the devil can bring. Sadistic? Of course. Catholic? Sincerely. But good and evil does cut across cultures, doesn't it?
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 17 July 2004 06:33 (nineteen years ago) link
-- latebloomer (posercore24...), July 17th, 2004.
The MT.Ranier case. -- Alex in NYC (vassife...), July 17th, 2004."
indeed:
ihttp://www.rameysrealm.com/exorcist.htm
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 06:44 (nineteen years ago) link
That's certainly the implication. After all, the demon Pazuzu (seen in the form of a grinning, priapic stone idol in the beginning scene) is in Iraq and is of Sumarian origin, I believe (side note: I wonder if that location is still there? Or was it bombed into infernal smithereenies?)
http://www.qtf.info/captainhowdy/wallpaper/EXORCIST_pazuzu800x600.jpg
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 06:56 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyhoo... be extra sure to put your headohnes in for this site.
http://theexorcist.warnerbros.com/cmp/thefilm-fr.html
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:00 (nineteen years ago) link
Even so. Isn't a cabin fever scenario still more likely to happen, or am I being obtuse?
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:17 (nineteen years ago) link
blah blah. Obviously I know the hotel was haunted etc. Did the ghosts pose as much of a threat (or any at all) compared to the Jack Nicholson character once he lost it? People going crazy and killing people happens ALL THE TIME. I'm not just talking in the context of The Shining, here. Possession, well maybe it happened sometime in the 40's...humor me here, I'm only being half serious!
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:30 (nineteen years ago) link
Don't mean to be splitting hairs, but just for calrification Cthulu is a demon from H.P. Lovecraft's fiction.
When the Exorcist was re-released the scene in the Iraqi desert was incredible on the big screen.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:31 (nineteen years ago) link
excuse me, "Elder God", not "demon". now i am splitting hairs.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:32 (nineteen years ago) link
Yeah, I wonder why Kubrick added that (it wasn't in the book). I'm also a little curious why a couple years later Stephen King used that as the plot device for Pet Sematary. Hmmm....
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:38 (nineteen years ago) link
and yeah, the Indian burial ground - some scholarly Kubrick-fanboy types have actually used this one line to argue that the whole movie is a parable about the extermination of Native Americans.
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:39 (nineteen years ago) link
(that's in regards to the bunny clips)
some scholarly Kubrick-fanboy types have actually used this one line to argue that the whole movie is a parable about the extermination of Native Americans.
I've heard that too....often referencing the color of several red rooms as evidence.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:41 (nineteen years ago) link
and, if so, we're arguing a point against itself. Both films seem to be about a kind of possession, no? To me though, the type of possession(if you want to call it that) that makes a man want to kill his family for no reason (and this is something that has actually happened in my family IRL, not to be a downer here, but my great-aunt and cousin were murdered four years ago by another relative who was talking to thin air (ghosts? imaginary friends? Who knows?) and suddenly snapped and stabbed them both and then according to witnesses proceeded to tell the thin air "There! I've finally done it!", no joke, he's currently in a mental institution.) is much more common than this literal "she's possessed by the devil, better call a priest" type thing. It's closer to home for most people, I'd say. That's kind of what I'm driving at.
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:42 (nineteen years ago) link
Then again.. that exorcism was supposedly based on a real event...
but now you've made me feel bad for arguing.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:58 (nineteen years ago) link
The Exorcist is just silly. As I mentioned, unless you really, honestly believe the devil can lie strapped to a bed with holy water keeping it down then the film is farce.
― C-Man (C-Man), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:09 (nineteen years ago) link
But it's not the devil, C-man, it's a litle girl possessed by the devil.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:10 (nineteen years ago) link
Also, Kim Cattrall from Sex in the City. She was in PA.
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:10 (nineteen years ago) link
The Mt. Rainier possession case sounds more like a classic "poltergeist" (supernatural manisfestations usually surrounding an adolescent) case than a "posession".
But these things don't exist....or do they? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:14 (nineteen years ago) link
-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), July 17th, 2004.
Is it ever proven to be the devil though? For all we know it could be just a random evil spirit. Maybe throwing up and making Linda balir curse is his way of saying "Howdy".
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:21 (nineteen years ago) link
The Omen and Rosemary's Baby. The former just seemed like a cheap cash-in after the success of the Exorcist, whereas Rosemary's Baby (which predated the Exorcist) never seemed to deliver the goods. It was creepy, but more about a wacky conspiracy than anything else. Also, you never get to see the child.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:24 (nineteen years ago) link
I always thought the Omen was overrated. I remember my dad said that movie actually scared him, probably because he's a pretty devout Catholic. An antichrist taking over the world is something that is conceivable in his worldview I guess.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:34 (nineteen years ago) link
Especially at the end: all those people yelling "Hail Satan!" is classic.
"He has his father's eyes".
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:36 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm not knocking Rosemary's Baby, but I just didn't find it as compelling (although it's a stressful ride). I don't mind certain films not "paying up" with the visuals (I think Blair Witch Project scores highest there), but it in Rosemary's Baby, just a glimpse might've been nice.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:45 (nineteen years ago) link
TS: Blatty's "The Exorcist" VS King's "The Shining"
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:49 (nineteen years ago) link
"The Exorcist," however, I'd love to read. I haven't, of course, but some day.....
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:51 (nineteen years ago) link
The idea of children being involved. Those films could not be made by a major studio now.
― clemenza, Monday, 9 October 2023 14:04 (seven months ago) link
I would say that classic movies can get ushered into the present with plenty of "you could never get away with that today" allowances but, as Left's posts consistently remind, that moment may also be passing. (Caught a Letterboxd review of Sunrise that more or less burned it to the ground at the very idea that Janet Gaynor went back to George O'Brien.)
― insert nothing here (Eric H.), Monday, 9 October 2023 14:08 (seven months ago) link
and Margo marries Bill and foregoes her stardom.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 October 2023 14:11 (seven months ago) link
Well if there was any testimony from either of the actresses in those two films that they felt uncomfortable I'd understand that they could become out of vogue but as things stand I think you're imagining more pearl clutching in the world than there actually is.
Likewise while it's by no means an uncommon ocurrence for younger movie fans to come across the gender politics of old timey classics and be horrified (and tbh there's lots to be horrified by!), thd vast majority of reviews of Sunrise on LB, regardless of age group, are still five star raves.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 9 October 2023 14:22 (seven months ago) link
I do prefer my college days in the late '90s, where we all agreed that Singin' in the Rain's Don and Cosmo were definitely sharing a bed on the regular
― insert nothing here (Eric H.), Monday, 9 October 2023 14:38 (seven months ago) link
Isn't there a new Exorcist spinoff either coming out or released already that features two adolescent girls?
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 9 October 2023 19:36 (seven months ago) link
yes and it sucks apparently
― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 October 2023 19:49 (seven months ago) link
Poltergeist was way more terrifying to me as a child than the Exorcist or the Shining, because it was set in a house exactly like mine
― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 9 October 2023 21:04 (seven months ago) link
also at age ten I'd read a ton of Daniel Cohen books about the supernatural and knew next to nothing about Christianity, let alone Catholicism
I love in Poltergeist how they're watching a football game that is moving at what appears to be 0.05 speed
― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 October 2023 21:08 (seven months ago) link
that cuz they’re stoned all the time, remember coach rolling that j
― brimstead, Monday, 9 October 2023 21:51 (seven months ago) link
Just rewatched Poltergeist and, yes, the scene of Steven and Diane rolling joints in bed and doing Donald Duck voices as foreplay is a small miracle of a scene
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Thursday, 26 October 2023 12:32 (six months ago) link