"Millions" = most common name in known universe
― nabisco, Monday, 26 November 2007 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link
if anything happens to her, we withdraw all aid?
― Just got offed, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:32 (sixteen years ago) link
obviously that's an exaggeration, but srsly, talk about biting the hand that feeds.
― Just got offed, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:33 (sixteen years ago) link
??? WTF, Louis, are you okay over there?
― nabisco, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link
this will end well
― DG, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Like, you realize ... umm, where to start here
xpost umm
― nabisco, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:35 (sixteen years ago) link
hah, i realised that i'd rather put my foot in it pretty much instantly. i have issues with ungratefulness, that's all. i don't think teachers will want to go over and help out if this is what happens. bring up the question of withdrawing all aid was merely a measure of how appalled i am that this could happen to an innocent person. it's not something i'd actually want to see happen. the rhetoric of exaggeration and all that.
― Just got offed, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm sure most of the aid comes from the UN rather than GB, anyway. for britain to at least cut down on supplies to sudan for a limited amount of time would probably be proportional retribution should the lady be killed or maimed by the state. my initial response came before i read that the punishment will probably only be a jail term.
― Just got offed, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Umm Louis I think you have still not figured out quite how you have put your foot in it here ...
― nabisco, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:49 (sixteen years ago) link
... short version being that the humanitarian aid coming from the west is mostly headed toward the south of the Sudan -- i.e., the exact people the Kharthoum government is condoning/assisting genocide/displacement of -- so cutting it off would just be doing the regime a great big favor, basically
― nabisco, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:52 (sixteen years ago) link
"release this teacher, or else those people you are trying to kill will die"
― nabisco, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:53 (sixteen years ago) link
as far as i can see, my suggestion that britain might consider temporarily withdrawing aid should one of its citizens be harmed by a foreign state was hasty and ill-judged, but i can't find anything else wrong. if there's any implicit prejudice in my rhetoric i assure you it's completely unintentional.
ohhh shit xxpost
:(
next time i'll fact-check before spouting off
if anything happens to her we create a memorial fund to further her work?
― Just got offed, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link
tbh i feel schooled
― Just got offed, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Hahaha it's okay, I'm just a little mystified -- when you heard about "genocide" in the Sudan, who did you think was behind it??? It's not like a famine we're talking about!
xpost - just so you know, this isn't some arcane "I schooled you" point -- it's, like, the whole issue
― nabisco, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link
I know. I don't mean that you've gone out of your way to catch me out; I just feel a bit silly, and glad that you've set me right. I'm aware that there is a genocidal regime in charge, but I assumed the aid was somehow being routed through it. Which, in retrospect, was a lazy piece of thinking.
The situation in the likes of Sudan and Somalia is so very saddening. I can't think of a way out.
― Just got offed, Monday, 26 November 2007 19:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, "pay Ethiopia to invade" is not going to work on the Sudan.
― nabisco, Monday, 26 November 2007 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link
the only winning move is not to play
― ken c, Monday, 26 November 2007 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link
dude is completely, utterly, depressingly OTM. The West, hell, what do we want? A bit of oil, perhaps, protection for our people, economic gain, yeah, possibly brought about through corrupt and reprehensible means, but we're not actively setting up camps to indiscriminately destroy those who don't follow our ways. I mean, the article may be painting a doomier, more pessimistic picture than it could, and I am willing to bet that with a few key figures removed the fundamentalist Islamic movement would suffer major body-blows, but in principle it is spot-on.
-- Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:49 (1 year ago) Link
― and what, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link
lol ken c. I thought about the other thread as soon as I saw this one !
― AleXTC, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link
ethan, i then realised i'd been had and refuted that about 2 minutes later, and then continued to refute it. you're painting me in colours no way reflective of my attitude towards, well, anything.
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 17:08 (sixteen years ago) link
i.e. I'M ON YOUR SIDE. i merely have a habit of saying things about international politics that are ill-informed. among students or other less scrupulous judges i get away with it. among people who know what they're talking about i get rightly taken to task. i mean i ADMITTED i was wrong! isn't that enough for you?
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 17:12 (sixteen years ago) link
lol who are you talking to?????????
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 20:22 (sixteen years ago) link
what ever happened to humansuit?
― John Justen, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/piles-and-piles-of-bodies-in-s-sudan-slaughter/2014/04/22/98ad7616-ca1e-11e3-b81a-6fff56bc591e_story.html?tid=pm_world_pop
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 20:49 (ten years ago) link
https://apnews.com/article/sudan-war-military-rsf-conflict-khartoum-f12975eb72c830ed86ed6a7a49e9658d
Many dying as military and paramilitary fight it out
― curmudgeon, Monday, 16 October 2023 15:31 (eleven months ago) link
6 months of war
https://reliefweb.int/report/sudan/sudan-reeling-after-six-months-war-statement-martin-griffiths-under-secretary-general-humanitarian-affairs-and-emergency-relief-coordinator-enar
― curmudgeon, Monday, 16 October 2023 19:13 (eleven months ago) link
Sorry Sudanese people
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 16:57 (eleven months ago) link
Those waters had upended her life, but also provided a food option — not a desirable one, but one of the few left.Water lilies. They’d been keeping her family alive for two years.
They were bitter. Hard to digest. They required hours of manual labor — cutting, pounding, drying, sifting — just to be made edible. Nyaguey could still remember her initial shock at eating them, figuring they’d be a short-term measure. And now, with the floodwaters holding their ground, she could trace a two-year arc of distress in what the lilies had become: sustenance so vital that people were slogging farther and farther into the waters to find them, before someone else did
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/11/02/south-sudan-climate-floods-war/
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 November 2023 18:53 (ten months ago) link
Heartbreaking
― curmudgeon, Friday, 3 November 2023 15:11 (ten months ago) link
the number of displaced people there, and the number of refugees, are just devastating, overwhelming even. it's just a terrible situation. and of course the Wagner Group made sure to be involved.
― omar little, Friday, 3 November 2023 15:59 (ten months ago) link
Very sad
― felicity, Friday, 3 November 2023 18:02 (ten months ago) link
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-67450204
The evil rebels have gained more ground, but now another group is saying they will help the government
― curmudgeon, Friday, 17 November 2023 19:18 (ten months ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/05/world/africa/sudan-khartoum-darfur-war.html?unlocked_article_code=1.xU0.aBQo.tR3mjy5cGLd-&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 5 June 2024 16:32 (three months ago) link
Khartoum, the capital of Sudan and one of the largest cities in Africa, has been reduced to a charred battleground. A feud between two generals fighting for power has dragged the country into civil war and turned the city into ground zero for one of the world’s worst humanitarian catastrophes.
As many as 150,000 people have died since the conflict erupted last year, by American estimates. Another nine million have been forced from their homes, making Sudan home to the largest displacement crisis on earth, the United Nations says. A famine looms that officials warn could kill hundreds of thousands of children in the coming months and, if unchecked, rival the great Ethiopian famine of the 1980s.
Fueling the chaos, Sudan has become a playground for foreign players like the United Arab Emirates, Iran, Russia and its Wagner mercenaries, and even a few Ukrainian special forces. They are all part of a volatile stew of outside interests pouring weapons or fighters into the conflict and hoping to grab the spoils of war — Sudan’s gold, for instance, or its perch on the Red Sea.
From the linked NY Times article
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 5 June 2024 16:34 (three months ago) link