A clear statement about mod actions on 77

There's no fake bombshells or buffy blackmail, raise your standards.

― Nicolars (Nicole), Monday, February 2, 2009 4:20 PM (30 minutes ago)

nicole and trayce otm, by the way. i think most people who see this long meta thread are going to read it and be interested, assuming some shit has really gone down, only to read it and be like, 'wtf, this is the shit you guys were arguing about?'...illustrating the "who fucking cares" POV. i was shit talked about plenty when i first got here and still probably am some on boards/threads i dont read, but it's cool. for the record, i respect yr authority and all and plan to play by the rules you laid out above, im just sayin'.

and you are....

xpost also, I would never let you win at nintendo.
Or more to the point, I think the only mod harassment I've faced in the FUCK five years FUCK I've been here is when Jon kicked me off noise board or when Aja/Dante got shut down. Neither of which really broke my heart; though the loss of A/D was a bummer and one that I'd rather not see happen to 77... and as I recall, A/D got got because of precisely this kinda thread only it was estepato doin' the borad lawyerin' then.

btw who was stevie blue??

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The advent of SNA and bookmarks means you don't know which board you're posting to 90% of the time. The only spod-free ways I can think of to reliably steer clear of 77 banning are:

1. Take 77 completely out of SNA and bookmarks
2. Don't talk about anyone ever

The advent of SNA and bookmarks means you don't know which board you're posting to 90% of the time.

uh waht

Use prefs to give 77 threads a unique color on SNA.

maybe a friendly jingle that plays on a secondary page that you are directed to just as you're about to submit a post, reminding you that this will be a 77 post and its content will be judged on that basis.

okay bookmarks then.

Like the chime that rings when you open the door to the bookstore.

how many bookmarks do you have? im just thinking that it cant really be that hard to look at the top of the page when you go to a bookmarked thread and see if it says 7Curtis's 7Borad.

I'm just saying it can be easy to make a mistake.

Saying you might make that kind of mistake is like Kate saying she wants to be banned because she can't stop herself posting here. How old are you people.

Sorry, "you people" is a ridiculous pomposity but you know. This is all pretty hilarous.

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well, most people dont predominately post about other ILX users, so i guess i think it is a small price to pay to keep 77.

to spell this out here, this really is a compromise between the people that want 77 to stay as it is, and the people that want it to be locked. making it public is not an option because of a variety of factors, mostly innocuous (non-meta) stuff that people posted with the understanding that it would not be in public view.

re: the moving goalpost thing from some dude and eman - if you read through my first post on here, i think its clear that this is exactly what we are trying to avoid, and so using this as an argument that no rules can be applied to 77 is kind of odd. the zero tolerance for meta thing on 77 was clearly defined from the beginning, the only thing that has been changing is how we have been trying to deal with it. hopefully, this settles that as well.

to run down the other options:
1. move a thread with meta in it to ILE - problem being that we aren't able to judge what people do and dont want public, so if someone jumps in a thread that has some IRL whatever in it with a repost , this wont work
2. make 77 public - we've covered this
3. lock threads with meta - seems kind of overly invasive, also why should people in general be subject to someone screwing up
4. lock/delete 77 - dont think the majority of people that like 77 want this

77 is subject to special rules because it operates under special invite only circumstances. there is no way to change this in a way that will make everyone happy, but ive yet to see an argument that A)proposes a different solution that is more agreeable to both sides of the issue B)explains why not posting meta on one specific board is an untenable alternative in order to keep that board open.

and yeah, there are also tons of people (like me) that dont really care much one way or the other, but that doesn't make either sides opinions less valid. the truth is, the users of 77 are a much smaller group than the people that want it closed and the people that dont care about it, so when it comes to figuring out how to make it a workable option, they are going to have to make one small concession. as of yet, no one has really given any reason why that is unacceptable.

xposted to Autumn A

What was all that stuff about the Buffy DVDs?

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Looking like Trayce got out of bed on the wrong side of her FACE this morning.

JJ I should be clear that I don't care one way or the other, just thought it worth mentioning. I don't want to upstage Tuomas so I'll stop.

no i get it, only the first part was an xpost to your question

cool

these rules seem pretty reasonable altho i think an immediate perma ban from 77 is a little excessive

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xpost :(

why not 5. delete posts on 77 about people not on 77

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Gonna start collecting these

FWIW, Trayce, I have only ever asked for myself to be banned exactly *ONCE* - and it was because I was going through some personal problems with another ILX0r whose house I was moving out of at the time, that I wanted to keep off the board - and the ban only lasted until the move was complete.

The person you are thinking of is Louis - and there's about 20 years, 2 balls and a penis difference between us, thanks.

Please don't bring inaccurate incendiary shit into this. It's just not necessary.

max and jordy otm. delete post + temp 77 ban or whatever unless it's some really egregious race- and sexuality-based hateration a la tombot.

i agree with whoever mentioned that it's the SNA era and hard to keep track of where ur posting.

Buffy? DVDs?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vgAi7DYHA94

Can we get a list of which ILX posters are rapists then, statutory or otherwise? I should probably suggest ban any rapist posters.

by american standards that guy who was boning the 18-year old chick who was actually 17-years-old was breaking the law i think.

Fair enough Kate, I perhaps should have just used the action as an example without naming names, fwiw I take this whole thing about as seriously as a fruit salad *shrug*.

Abbott: I think Graham threatened to wipe the whole database because we were all ungreatful gits who didnt appreciate his hard work and he wanted to be sent a Buffy box set as an apology, or some such rubbish.

Considering going on a Suggest Ban spree unless somebody gets me a video of Oh No It's Selwyn Froggitt.

Bahahaha okay that is awesome Trayce!

See this what I'm sayin' - quality of beefs ain't what it used to be.

just because i dont want to leave this even momentarily vague, max/SGSMB - your suggestions have been duly noted, but unless you hear otherwise, people should be aware that the permaban thing is still the way we are dealing with this. re: the just delete it aspect, i still think that people can police themselves, and it isnt like any mods want to spend tons of time constantly checking for violations on 77 - again i will repeat that there are people that are unhappy that 77 continues to exist. they are making concessions, 77 posters can do the same. if we just say that we will delete meta stuff if we happen to find it, that doesn't do much to allay the concerns of people that are uncomfortable with a secret board having lots of nasty meta stuff on it. in a perfect world, no one will get banned, and people will be reassured that 77 is not a big meta fest. constantly coming back here to find ways to minimize the repercussions of 77 meta posting really doesn't do much to help your case, TBH.

out of curiosity was this a decision arrived at by all the current mods, cf tom, pash, keith(?) (i don't know who else is modding these days).

mod discussion forum isn't just for meta bitching you know

well, the whole idea of keeping meta off 77 is old school and i think predates me being a board mod, so in that sense yeah. there isnt any mod hivemind, and i think reactions vary, but im pretty sure there is a universal feeling that we need to get the 77 situation squared away to save all of us from these things popping up over and over. i also think its safe to say that none of the mods have vocalized anything proposing ignoring or soft-pedalling meta stuff on 77, and there have been moments of frustration where most of us have mentioned just locking it and being done with it.

not sure if that helps or not, but thats the best i can tell you. xpost

wouldn't be an ilx mod for quids

Are people aware of the original 77 kerfuffle with the "crut77" login going all over flickr harrasing various ILXors, that perhaps is causing some of the "anti" vibe?

Eh, it doesnt matter any more I guess.

I'm a mod!

this all seems reasonable, doubt it will really change 77 at all anyway

unless hendricks joins 77

man, that'd be uncomfortable

Personally, I think delete+tempban is the way to go.