the single worst thing about 'alice in wonderland' was its not being alice in wonderland, rather a silly sort of lotr-lite fanfic
― 炒面kampf (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 December 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
yeah how the hell do you manage to make Alice in Wonderland boring ffs
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 December 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
exactly. I do not know what grade of numpty picks up one of the english language's best regarded works and goes 'hey I can do a better one'.
― 炒面kampf (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 December 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
hee hee numpty, i love that word
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 December 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
'the picture of dorian gray: lost in new york'
― 炒面kampf (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 December 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
yknow I really love little women but let's lose all the women and the whole family thing, it's pretty on the nose
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 December 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
'the wind in the willows', in which toad wears a black suit with spiralled coat tails and battles an undead womble army
― 炒面kampf (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 December 2012 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
would probably see that
― packt like phoebe cates's dad in a chimney (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 27 December 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
can't wait to see helena bonham-carter as a goth meg
― 炒面kampf (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 December 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
i can see him doing this for real
― abanana, Thursday, 27 December 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
beetlejuice 2: beetlejuice goes hawaiian
― 炒面kampf (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 December 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
would probably watch that too
― packt like phoebe cates's dad in a chimney (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 27 December 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
dug up this quote from an old alice thread:
"Every other version I've ever seen, I've never really connected to because it's always just a series of weird events," Burton said. "She's passively wandering through, meeting this weird character, that weird character. It's fine in the books, but the movies always felt like there wasn't anything underneath them. That's what we tried to do. Instead of the Hatter just being weird, [we wanted to] get some kind of character underneath him. That's the goal, is to give the 'Alice' material a little more weight to it."
wow thank god you were there to 'give a little more weight' to one of the greatest books ever, you doofus.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
that TB quote right there is pretty much why I hate screenwriters in a nutshell.
― Q-Tip—blessed Q-Tip! (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
weirdy mcweirdson of weirdsville decided his source material was too weird xp
― 炒面kampf (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
giving the Hatter character = dancing like a nit
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
"yes but who ARE the flying monkeys"
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
can you imagine if he made 'pee wee' now? it'd start out with a flashback to 10-year-old pee wee getting hit by a bike.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
I liked the back story he gave Willy Wonka in that Charlie Chocolate Factory movie but at the same time, in typical Burton fashion is underlined the motivations of the original story way too much (ie original was a sad treatise on spoiled children and horrible parents masquerading as a fun adventure)
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
he just can't help to make everything bummertown USA
in typical burton fashion *he, not is
I really really liked his version of charlie, especially the whole michaely-jacksony parallel xp
― 炒面kampf (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
i liked a lot of it, but there was something about the disco-y ness of it that really annoyed the shit out of me at the same time
depp did a nice carol channing, I thought :)
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
oh yeah, the pop culture oompah-loompah sons were shithouse
― 炒面kampf (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
*songs
bahahaha carol channing
― 炒面kampf (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
i got really really tired of deep roy after a while
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
making wonka into a sad victimized dude just messes too much with the whole dynamic of the story. the original film's take, where wonka remains mysterious, genuinely unpredictable, and even vaguely malevolent throughout the whole story, seems much more in line with dahl's intentions. plus wilder's thinly veiled delight in the kids' fates is way 'darker' than anything in burton's film.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:17 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that's what I mean -- burton can't resist telegraphing all of that dark backstory, when you really didn't need it it was a nice creative detour though
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
christopher lee as scary dentist dad was perfect casting
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, that's very true (xp to j.d.)
― 炒面kampf (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
but at least burton told the story that was the actual title of the actual film
― 炒面kampf (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
as opposed to, you know, 'the battle for wondergarth'
lol
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
sadly absent of wombles
genuine lols. sad but true
― If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
his idea of character develeopment is just to have a flashback sequence of his dad being mean to him and not understanding his art maaaaaaan
his schtick is now as one-note and lame as gilliam's on that level
― banlieue jagger (darraghmac), Friday, 28 December 2012 05:08 (eleven years ago) link
I finally watched Frankenweenie today (well, I caught the 2nd half) --- I was pleasantly surprised by how good it was. I laughed out loud in lots of places and got quite a kick out of all the movie references. Will definitely seek it out and watch the whole thing. I think had gotten so Burton-shy I wasn't sure if he had completely lost his touch, but animation is definitely still his bag. And really quite beautifully executed with all black and white imo, it had quite a nice warmth to it somehow. idk. it looked pretty is what I'm saying.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 01:27 (ten years ago) link
yeah i totally loved it. nothing surprising at all but all the usual burton riffs -- frankenstein, rankin-bass references -- felt comfortably familiar and sweet and nice to see again. it felt like the real burton, not the hollywood hack who's taken his place for like a decade.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 01:32 (ten years ago) link
otm
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 01:32 (ten years ago) link
which kind of makes me slightly mad - if he could do THAT why is he insisting on doing all of this other garbage ffs
him and Gore Verbinski and Johnnny Depp need to be forced by court order to stop making movies together, like a 20 year moratoriumhang out in a fucking bar if you like each other so much, ffs
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 01:35 (ten years ago) link
depp's career is pretty sad too -- he was awesome until he did the pirates movies and suddenly turned into this guy:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/johnny-depp-now-physically-unable-to-walk-unless-w,32942/
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 01:38 (ten years ago) link
yep
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 01:44 (ten years ago) link
is that how he funds his pet projects? idk
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 01:54 (ten years ago) link
i feel like there haven't really been many of those in a while -- every now and then he does a stop-motion thing but i feel like there'd be an audience for those no matter what.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 02:01 (ten years ago) link
the way hollywood works now (a small number of blockbusters at us$200m a time) he'd be hard pressed convincing the suits that his stop motion fantasy would rake in what alice in wonderland made
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 02:44 (ten years ago) link
i don't know anything about its development so maybe i'm wrong but i figured dark shadows was a pet project. i mean who else cares. and i didn't see it but it looked better than alice. although so is... everything.
― one yankee sympathizer masquerading as a historian (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 02:47 (ten years ago) link
otm, alice was so very horrible
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 02:57 (ten years ago) link
yeah they're all pet projects, it's just he keeps putting the same people in and it's like episodes in the same terrible tv series
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 03:01 (ten years ago) link
burton: "WHAT i have to cast my wife AGAIN"exec: "we can always look at one of these…"burton: "oh all right then, i'll bring helen in tomorrow"exec: "you don't have to…"burton: "I SAID IT'S FINE"exec: "but it…"burton: "SHUT UP"
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 03:26 (ten years ago) link