hope it's not SPOILERY to say
I'm 70% through and still waiting for anyone important to die ffs
― let's bitch about our stupid, annoying co-ilxors (darraghmac), Monday, 14 January 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
his attempts to do comedy dialogue are horrible. At least Jordan never really bothered
― Number None, Monday, 14 January 2013 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
and i couldn't care less about all these interchangeable trolloc battles
i spose the point is they're happening everwhere all at once and it's kind of a thing so
― let's bitch about our stupid, annoying co-ilxors (darraghmac), Monday, 14 January 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but there's no real sense of scale or peril for me
― Number None, Monday, 14 January 2013 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
cos nobody dies and tbh there seems to be (throughout the series tbf) a wavering line on whether a fade or trolloc is a big fuckun deal or not
― let's bitch about our stupid, annoying co-ilxors (darraghmac), Monday, 14 January 2013 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
fuckit
That was actually awesome
― let's bitch about our stupid, annoying co-ilxors (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
o rly
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 02:11 (eleven years ago) link
i'm prepared to go on record, yeah. flawed- everything lamp says above is true and fair- rushed in places, lazy cliffhangers abound,
SPOILERS
far too many ppl survive, shit's cuddly as fuck tbh
/SPOILERS
but fuckit, that was awesome
― let's bitch about our stupid, annoying co-ilxors (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 02:17 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, entering the endgame. It's kinda getting me
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 03:42 (eleven years ago) link
ok let's finish it up there foljs, i've got a few questions
― let's bitch about our stupid, annoying co-ilxors (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 09:45 (eleven years ago) link
gonna remove bookmark from thread until the ebook comes out. spoilerize away!
― ryan, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
Finished. Back to being underwhelmed
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
ah now
― let's bitch about our stupid, annoying co-ilxors (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
ryan i tried to webmail you but not sure it worked?
― let's bitch about our stupid, annoying co-ilxors (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
such as?
i think the only thing that was bad in a way it didn't have to be was the illogical pseudo-philosophy of rands confrontation w/the dark one. feel like there was a lot of room for something just... better there, partic one that didnt seem to triviliaze the series own eschatology. also the book was too ambitious and too limited - introducing so many new or essentially new characters and concepts was a poor choice but it also was too narrowly focused on the battle itself - like i wanted the the entire sweep of the wheel or something in there, not just dudes killing trollocs over and over again.
mostly i just feel weird about the series being over
― once & future (Lamp), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
no I don't think it did!
― ryan, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
Rand's visions during his fight with the Dark One were really corny
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
otm
I wanted a scrap with ba'alzamon as ishamael rendered him in the first few books, not a secondary school debate with a capslock.
Srsly, was that it for alivia? Smdh. That was rushed as well.
Smdh perrin/faile, again. Thought he was prophesised to die btw?
Smdh everyone surviving cept the obv two.
Ryan- gimme a mail at darraghmac @ gmail
― lemmy's rabbles (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 08:06 (eleven years ago) link
He kinda bungled the few deaths there were too. Apart from the big one, which was the best moment in the book. If you're not paying attention you can easily miss stuff like the end of my bro Shaidar Haran
― Number None, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 10:51 (eleven years ago) link
rand dreamed most of the deaths, it was p much chris tolkien shoehorning of scraps jordan had written, i guess
Yeah, major death the best moment by a distance, prob rivalled only by demandred in general, who was p. boss throughout.
lol moridin, nae'blis of the year now he's a cunt.
Presumably his soul gets recycled like everyone else's, no last wish for u bro
― lemmy's rabbles (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 11:20 (eleven years ago) link
Well, I finished. 40+ hours of listening to interminable battle sequence after battle sequence. They sort of all blurred together by the end as I waited for things to happen. A little anti-climactic, and I agree some stuff was rushed and other stuff went on forever.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 17 January 2013 03:12 (eleven years ago) link
agreed there were a whole mess of problems with this but overall the balance of gangster shit to dumb shit was favorable.
a big part of what i love(d) about RJ was he seemed occasionally to think about what people would actually do with all this wacky magic. cf the end of lord of chaos. branderson sanderson, for all his stupid fucking mormon bullshit and shitty writing, thinks the same way.
are we going whole hog spoiler in this thread yet?
― adam, Thursday, 17 January 2013 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
i havent been just yet
― lemmy's rabbles (darraghmac), Thursday, 17 January 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
nailing him up on a cross was pretty lazy stuff imo
― lemmy's rabbles (darraghmac), Sunday, 20 January 2013 23:44 (eleven years ago) link
can someone summarize, in three paragraphs or less, what happened since "the lord of chaos"?cuz i just don't have it in me. I read the few books after that one but i do not remember fuckall about 'em.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
funny to see this --https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan
when i was reading usenet & reading RJ this place had enough to keep me occupied for hours at a time
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
More unfulfilling thought's / questions 1. The numbers, where did all the Randland channelers disappear. The numbers do not add up! 2. The immense numbers of trollocs, how where they fed and breeded? 3. The lack of "new" shadowspawn, I always imagined the worms in the blight to be "morphed" 4. The lack of description of where Demandred's new sa'angreal (Sarkanen?) came from. 5. How Rand came to "resurrect" - I alway's imagined that Nynaeve somehow would do it. Snatching his soul 3 days gone - biblic reference again - ever since the foreshadowing: "She wouldn't be satisfied until she healed someone 3 days dead". Somehow I thought it fitting that he ended up in Moridin's body - given the strange interconnection the always had. However I had imagined that he would end up on a boat funeral pyre a'la Arthur Pendraegon. 6. The long wait of the Seanchan to rejoin the battle. That seemed too late. 7. Where were all the Seanchan grolms, torms, lopars in the beginning of the fight? They just joined the final assault. Why? 8. Why didn't the shadow strike the supply chain of the Light and their healing centre. 9. Why didn't the light try any traps of their own? Like the one Taim set for Rand? 10. Why didn't the light hit the dark's supply chain? 11. What happened with the all the steel failing initial theme? - My thoughts were - shit the dragons are screwed. 12. I would have expected at least one more gholam attack on the forces of the light's channelers 13. Logain's internal fight - it was a good idea/theme but poorly written
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:18 (eleven years ago) link
this shit sounds so loony and insane i kind of want to read it
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
i forgot all aboit logain! and moridin! and a bunch of other people!
jesus i thought moiraine was deead when did she come back
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
no fuckin way man do your own donkeywork
― lemmy's rabbles (darraghmac), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:26 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think i can.i'm scared.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:27 (eleven years ago) link
i guess we don't have to worry about spoilers anymore
― Number None, Monday, 21 January 2013 00:28 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.wotsummary.com/
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:28 (eleven years ago) link
srsly ian read them if time allows- the last three in particular you'd fly through
tho idk maybe you'd need to start all over again to remember everything
tho again that said most of em are kinda just forgotten about rly, come the last battle
― lemmy's rabbles (darraghmac), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:31 (eleven years ago) link
i think if i started with path of daggers or crown of swords or whatever i would be okay.but i don't own 'em anymore. or i do, but they're in a box in my dad's attic.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:33 (eleven years ago) link
ebookssssss
― lemmy's rabbles (darraghmac), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:36 (eleven years ago) link
this was sold out everywhere when I tried to buy it on coming back from thailand, so had to wait a week.
I enjoyed it heaps even though every criticism so far is OTM.
Making Egwene such an unimpeachable hero was a great bitchslap to all her internet haters (though presumably rj had planned that plot point a long time) - I heartily approve.
― Tim F, Monday, 28 January 2013 06:54 (eleven years ago) link
p sure the last one of these I read was book 9, should I read this new thingy and just see how it all ends
― (panda) (gun) (wrapped gift) (silby), Monday, 28 January 2013 07:08 (eleven years ago) link
does it end with Rand taking a bath with his three girlfriends
basically
― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Monday, 28 January 2013 12:24 (eleven years ago) link
Just shows what jesus could have gotten up to if he hadnt lived with his mum
― bully4u.co.uk (darraghmac), Monday, 28 January 2013 13:36 (eleven years ago) link
I skipped and picked through bits again from the last few chapters. Not great stuff. Last battle essentially turned into an ashaman i couldnt gaf about playing benny hill with gateways and cannon. The last chapters are really garbled. Nothing ever feels like it is in the balance. Nothing has since rand came down from dragonmount, maybe. Lamp v otm.
― the right to beef at (darraghmac), Monday, 11 February 2013 02:46 (eleven years ago) link
Don't want to reread any of it lest I form the same opinion.
Most disappointingly lightweight plot line was the treatment of the Aiel storyline, which was fine in substance - generally speaking the idea was a nice meld of the prior prophecies, their general narrative arc esp. in books 4 - 6, and the out-of-nowhere stuff from Aviendha's visions - but so glossed over and pat-seeming in execution that it may as well not have been there; it felt like a false resolution.
― Tim F, Monday, 11 February 2013 03:36 (eleven years ago) link
There's so much of that, tho. Logain's ten minute faux-struggle, cut. Perrin loses er outdoors again for ten mins, cut. Elayne definitely gonna be killed this time lol not really, cut. Cmon folks we're meant to be trimming this shit down.
actually, rand goes and talks to a dark one in a cave, decides not to surrender, cut.
― the right to beef at (darraghmac), Monday, 11 February 2013 12:20 (eleven years ago) link
some dude with a sword attacks Demandred. Repeat.
― Number None, Monday, 11 February 2013 14:45 (eleven years ago) link
RIPeat
― the right to beef at (darraghmac), Monday, 11 February 2013 14:58 (eleven years ago) link
For real tho i'm srsly pissed we didnt get a demandred book he was awes
― the right to beef at (darraghmac), Monday, 11 February 2013 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
There definitely was a lot of obvious signposting going on in this but with all of the buildup with near misses and getting Healed from the brink of death, I totally did not see Gawyn's death coming; after he died though I figured it was a matter of time before Egwene bit it as well.
I'd love to read a postlude about how Pevara changes the outlook and purpose of the Red Ajah in the aftermath of this book, actually
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Monday, 11 February 2013 15:11 (eleven years ago) link