like this was just absolute garbage. really stunningly bad + stupid
http://jacobinmag.com/2012/09/the-yacht-rock-counterrevolution/
― max, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 23:58 (eleven years ago) link
btw part of the self-regard that ppl complain about is due to the need to be raising funds. they have to sell themselves as cool, new, unique, etc
― max, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
xps hurting there wouldn't necessarily be any less output to be consumed tho, just less of it being consumed by workers
― flopson, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
i thought their baffler critique was really... weird, too
they usually have one huge dud of an article per issue
― max, Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
what didn't you like about it?
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
i didnt like that article but then i guess i dont like unfunny jokes so its 'not for me'. i liked how much it seemed like a feature on early 00s p4kmedia tho
― once & future (Lamp), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
the bad ones tend to be the cultural ones
i thought this was interesting http://jacobinmag.com/2012/12/yours-mine-but-not-ours/
also i didnt agree with this but i love good old school marxist/fanonist cultural criticism http://jacobinmag.com/2013/01/why-django-cant-revolt/
― max, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
i dunno it just felt so unnecessary. the baffler is not so huge a cultural force, on the left or generally, that it needs a cover-article takedown
the one in the new issue about going to parties and dreading having to talk about working in design might have been awful but i only read half of the first page
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:02 (eleven years ago) link
like, if frase wants to respond to franks OWS thing he should just do that
― max, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:02 (eleven years ago) link
you can do this subject w/o 'the social function of student debt' etc.
sure but not if you're attempting to fold it into a 'larger critque' which i think is worth doing
the rhetoric of individualism is a plague
― once & future (Lamp), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
that's true but it's just a subject that needs someone better to do its larger critique. also it's lazy wrt addressing the causes of cost escalation etc. it's just a more complex subject than the author would like to believe.
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:05 (eleven years ago) link
xp he did though, but i guess you mean there was too much positioning? this was the best part imo
For all its mordant criticism of cultural studies, the Baffler was more in sync with its time than it liked to admit. It was in fact deeply postmodern, not in its explicit allegiances but in the way it partook of a certain cultural weather of the sort theorized by Fredric Jameson. The penchant for interpreting texts — seen in Frank’s privileging of books about Occupy over Occupy participants — mirrors the linguistic turn in academia.
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:06 (eleven years ago) link
*xps max
right he did but then why spend six paragraphs praising that stupid sex house piece and brag about albini or whatever? THAT was self serving for no real reason
― max, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:07 (eleven years ago) link
i guess its sort of charming as an old-fashioned meaningless intra-left squabble but i had a very hard time getting through it
― max, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:08 (eleven years ago) link
and giving props to gawker
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:09 (eleven years ago) link
i mean yeah the whole thing was basically: they are a bunch of cynical 90's dudes unfit for these times; cancel your baffler subscrip and gives us $$$ maybe it was shameless but i liked it
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:10 (eleven years ago) link
haha i dont want to be a subscriber to any magazine that will praise me
― max, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:10 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
http://jacobinmag.com/2012/12/our-fiscal-cliff/
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
― max, Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
argh yes! hated this.
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
in fact I remember getting into a thing in the comments thread with the author I think, but now I don't see the comments
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:16 (eleven years ago) link
reads more like eager college student to me than gradschoolese xp
― flopson, Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol there was a guy at my school who would show up several times per week in the editorial section of our newspaper, got a job at jacobin very quickly after graduating
― #guy #guy fieri #poop #hallway (zachlyon), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 01:32 (eleven years ago) link
'job'
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 01:44 (eleven years ago) link
really enjoying my jacobin subscription
― buzza, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
comes with a football phone
― fiscal cliff huxtable (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 10:23 (eleven years ago) link
started this thread just in time
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/21/books/bhaskar-sunkara-editor-of-jacobin-magazine.html?_r=0
― flopson, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
new issue looks really tight http://jacobinmag.com/2013/08/issue-1112-preview-misery-index/
― flopson, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
ian svenonius on tipping lol
claire potter B-)
― flopson, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
Silent Majority Music
To put it most unkindly, trap music is adult contemporary for the prosumer age.
By Gavin Mueller
― flopson, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
it made me genuinely happy to read that
― password1 (Lamp), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 23:29 (eleven years ago) link
ahhhhhh good htat sounds like it will make up for that fucking yacht rock article
― max, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 23:32 (eleven years ago) link
― flopson, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 23:34 (eleven years ago) link
haha oh god of course Sc-tt McL*m** is going to be involved in this magazine and their books section. (i know for a fact he's a self googler because at least once i made a snide comment about an article of his in a location he would never be browsing by chance and he showed up to call me names). his work for the chronicle of higher ed is invariable the _worst_ and he manages to show up anywhere with a bit of radical buzz to be a wet blanket astonishingly consistently.
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Thursday, 8 August 2013 00:31 (eleven years ago) link
yeesh, guys
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link
I can't figure out what happened
― famous instagram God (waterface), Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link
well incredibly someone made this explanatory and admittedly jacobin-friendly-leaning series of images
http://i.imgur.com/ZQRrxnM.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/C9XjqfY.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/2eDzzfY.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/JCkQmFP.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/4bcbxRW.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/3OArP2J.jpg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:13 (ten years ago) link
Jesus that did not help
― famous instagram God (waterface), Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link
I can't even stand to read all that, but good job making sure the Left continues to resemble high school guys.
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:17 (ten years ago) link
wtf
― polyamanita (sleeve), Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
i saw that some twitterstorm was happening but didn't bother trying to piece it together, seemingly one of the better decisions i've ever made.
― Merdeyeux, Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
simplified version:
i mean from my perspective jacobin made a big editorial mistake by linking to a tweet about such a sensitive topic without seeking permission first--they fixed that mistake in less than 30 minutes and were contrite. another jacobin staffer who had nothing to do with the article stepped up to bat to defend the decision to link to the tweet, and bat back at kendzior's claim that the article mocked her. then it was 4 solid days of internet warfare between kendzior's crew & jacobin people, with ongoing exaggerations and misrepresentations and bad faith arguments on all sides. so fucking nasty.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:25 (ten years ago) link
yuck
― polyamanita (sleeve), Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link
I'm glad to be on ILX where nothing like that ever happens
― 龜, Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:51 (ten years ago) link
hahahaha
― famous instagram God (waterface), Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:53 (ten years ago) link
i mean i think the throughline here is kendzior misreading things other people are saying about her--like her incredible misreading of stoker's piece, which was about people (like K) attacking the author of the article & the odious tactic of enforcing 'left discipline' via character assassination, which Kendzior somehow reads and passes on as 'stoker says i should be disciplined through character assassination.'
idk like stoker has been one of my favorite writers for years since a minister friend directed me to her, even when i think she's wrong i've been impressed by her empathy and thoughtfulness, so to see her sucked into this and smeared as a rape apologist based on something she didn't even say is such a disheartening microcosm of this whole weird blowup.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:53 (ten years ago) link
but not if they're written like those first two articles, nobody will
(also the capsule summaries in front of each article are some condescending cliffs notes nonsense that remind me of the "teachers guides" for reading comprehension exercises in sixth grade)
― breaking kayfefe (s.clover), Sunday, 4 June 2017 18:19 (seven years ago) link
jacobin writer: the fact that elizabeth warren has such awesome and detailed policies is actually evidence of her weakness as a candidate, and here's why
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/04/elizabeth-warren-policy-bernie-sanders-presidential-primary
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:04 (five years ago) link
I don't disagree with part of the central thesis, that Warren lacks Sanders' mass appeal and is trying on a different strategy, but the notion that it's a desperate attempt to mask a lack of support or w/ever is needlessly mean (and unfounded)
― Simon H., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:15 (five years ago) link
trying on taking
well, Sanders' mass appeal depends on his 2016 run. I've seen her work a room and a crowd as adeptly as he. After all, it's only April 2019.
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:17 (five years ago) link
Here's an article calling Sanders vs Warren another version of....Debs vs Brandeis.
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:20 (five years ago) link
warren is promoting a positive vision sanders is promoting a reactionary one that's why the radicals prefer him - negation will always sound more dramatic and exciting than reform.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:25 (five years ago) link
It’s almost as if they complete each other and would be terrific running mates.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:26 (five years ago) link
to sander's credit (and what is oft pointed out) his rhetoric sounds more revolutionary than it is and it's certainly possible to marry pragmatic structural revamps w/ the glossy veneer of "revolution" but it is funny that jacobin types seem to want to play this dichotomy on both sides - when convenient bernie is offering the more "radical" approach and when he's critiqued for being too radical he's merely a european style social democrat. to me the lacuna between the two positions is cause for concern whereas warren is presenting (politically) a coherent package.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:29 (five years ago) link
Put bluntly, Warren is turning her campaign into a policy factory because she’s had trouble inspiring people with a broad-strokes political vision the way her closest ideological competitor, Bernie Sanders, has.
iow, she hasn't generated enough popular enthusiasm to rise in the polls, yet. you can figure that part out by looking at the polls.
But we shouldn’t see her policy blitz purely as a sign of strength. It may actually be an SOS message, a panicked response to her campaign’s shortcomings in the field of mass politics.
(my bolding)
To say that these policies are being delineated because she thinks this will help her generate more enthusiasm is just the author drawing that rather simplified conclusion and asserting it as true. Presidential campaigns are complex and multiform and notoriously difficult to win. This article is the usual weak-assed punditry as most campaign reporting. Where it is right, it is stating the obvious. Where it is adventurous, it is empty speculation. Call back in a year.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:32 (five years ago) link