I tend to find words such as "acceptable" and "appropriate" enemies of humanity but perhaps that's just me.
Moyles and Ross are highly skilled and experienced and occasionally very entertaining broadcasters and the argument that people who tune in/go on their show don't know what they're getting into doesn't, in your words, hold water.
But I guess that if they're going to "sack" CT then they'll have to get rid of Moyles, Ross and Clarkson as well. It's only fair. Look forward to exciting Friday Night With Alex Lester shows from now until, um, September.
― Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 6 February 2009 11:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Radio is kind of less of a participatory medium than TV tho - eg loads of workplaces just have it on as a matter of course. Why, only yesterday lunchtime I was browsing crappy CDs and had to endure the voice of George Lamb
― Peter Andre Test Tube Babies (DJ Mencap), Friday, 6 February 2009 12:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Is he still on? Another argument for delaying getting a digital radio for as long as possible.
― Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 6 February 2009 12:04 (fifteen years ago) link
lol @ the Daily Mail masses trying to bend their logic around supporting Thatcher and Clarkson while castigating Ross and Brand. As I understand it it's ok to insult black men and disabled Scotsmen but not old white Englishmen who do comedy Spanish accents.
― super shareaholic firefox add (onimo), Friday, 6 February 2009 12:06 (fifteen years ago) link
xp I don't otherwise pay much attention but he doesn't seem to actually get less popular no matter how much of a prick he acts :(
― Peter Andre Test Tube Babies (DJ Mencap), Friday, 6 February 2009 12:07 (fifteen years ago) link
xp: I totally agree, Omino - apply it across the board or don't apply it at all.
Of course if the Mail didn't have a vested interest in stirring all this up in the first place then none of this would be happening!
― Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 6 February 2009 12:10 (fifteen years ago) link
How come the Mail readers who love calling Jonathan Ross "Wossy" don't call CT "Cawol"?
― nate woolls, Friday, 6 February 2009 12:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Surely it should be "Thatchewy"?
― Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 6 February 2009 12:12 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm all for consistency here. The problem is (and this is where I agree with you on how the reaction to these things is disproportionate) that it will no doubt lead to someone at the BBC drafting a policy statement that sucks the life out of life.
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― super shareaholic firefox add (onimo), Friday, 6 February 2009 12:13 (fifteen years ago) link
i hope they do sack clarkson, moyles, and ross tbh.
― special guest stars mark bronson, Friday, 6 February 2009 12:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Just out of interest, who would you replace them with?
― Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 6 February 2009 12:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Chris Evans, he wasn't offensive. Was he?
― super shareaholic firefox add (onimo), Friday, 6 February 2009 12:22 (fifteen years ago) link
I find the music he plays pretty offensive but not particularly the man himself.
― Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 6 February 2009 12:24 (fifteen years ago) link
x-post Depends on your views on Ocean Colour Scene.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 6 February 2009 12:25 (fifteen years ago) link
The Clarkson thing has nothing to do with the BBC or the Gov, though. Neither of which have commented, so far. The Telegraph/DM obviously phoned the person at the charity and said "what do you think of Clarkson calling the PM a "one-eyed idiot"? And of course he said it was offensive. The DM/Telegraph then use that as an excuse to bash the BBC, but print all the rubbish Clarkson spouts out of his arse and thus are able to have a go at the Gov. It's a win-win for them.
― The Unbelievably Insensitive Baroness Vadera (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 6 February 2009 12:32 (fifteen years ago) link
if only Clarkson would say something racist eh
― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2009 12:34 (fifteen years ago) link
he meant 'scottish' in a pejorative sense imo.
― special guest stars mark bronson, Friday, 6 February 2009 12:34 (fifteen years ago) link
feeling really patriotic today reading this thread
― ogmor, Friday, 6 February 2009 12:50 (fifteen years ago) link
You're not British then.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 6 February 2009 12:56 (fifteen years ago) link
It was 10 years ago...
― The Unbelievably Insensitive Baroness Vadera (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 6 February 2009 13:03 (fifteen years ago) link
meh, he's 'careful' to only zing nations
still, telling quote A BBC spokeswoman said: "Jeremy's colourful comments are always entertaining, but they are his own comments and not those of the BBC.
"More often than not they are said with a twinkle in his eye."
could've applied this to Thatcher (or anyone being racist, casually or not) too yes
― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2009 13:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Time for that old reliable again...
― Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 6 February 2009 13:45 (fifteen years ago) link
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42415000/jpg/_42415099_bowie75_203.jpg
"I think Britain could benefit from a fascist leader, twinkle twinkle"
― Mark G, Friday, 6 February 2009 13:46 (fifteen years ago) link
It's totally disgusting, I for one call for a blanket ban on all so-called David Bowie records as coked-out wisecracks made 33 years ago are wholly unacceptable and inappropriate.
― Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 6 February 2009 13:49 (fifteen years ago) link
omg yeah, what chris moyles has gotten away with is definitely much worse - the change in climate is really apparent when you consider that he wasn't even disciplined for his shit. halle berry calling him out on air was a total "you go girl" moment
― lex pretend, Friday, 6 February 2009 14:21 (fifteen years ago) link
is it actually much worse? or just roughly same level?
― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2009 14:27 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm sure you can answer that yourself
― lex pretend, Friday, 6 February 2009 14:31 (fifteen years ago) link
How does it compare to Paris Hilton describing herself and a friend dancing to rap music as being "Like two niggers"?
― Limoncello Carlin (The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics), Friday, 6 February 2009 14:38 (fifteen years ago) link
I for one consider it a scandal. Clearly she and all her doings should be banned immediately - she is inappropriate for this planet.
I also for one call for the immediate burning of all writings by Philip "kick out the n*****s" Larkin. He will be replaced on all core curriculae by Simon Armitage.
― Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 6 February 2009 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link
oh i was hoping you would answer, or at least just include reasoning behind why it's definitely much worse. not saying it isn't, just want this to be clearer.
perhaps it is worse to generalise/stereotype so absurdly on a massive scale ("black American guys") rather than refer to a specific individual yes. it's almost too wtf for someone in a position to discipline him to deal with tho, whereas a remark directed at an individual is 'easier' for people to understand and react (whether kneejerkingly or not) to.
― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2009 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link
To be honest if I'd said as much stupid racially dubious shit in public as Marcello has I'd be worried about this issue as well.
― Holy Suffering Gobi Desert Clit Nun (Matt DC), Friday, 6 February 2009 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Jez sez sorry so that's that then.
― Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 6 February 2009 15:03 (fifteen years ago) link
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45278000/jpg/_45278701__45171312_clarkson_pa226b-1.jpg
there's a thread about this kind of face but i can't find it.
― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 6 February 2009 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link
by that i mean the expression he's making, not that there's a thread about eminently punchable faces of cunts.
yr thunder i have stolen it
― talk me down off the (ledge), Friday, 6 February 2009 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link
jim i think that's a slightly different face
― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2009 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link
is it not clear enough?!
― lex pretend, Friday, 6 February 2009 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link
that depends on whether the paragraph after that was the 'correct answer'
― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2009 15:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Thatcher worse than Moyles but that's not really saying much in Moyles' defence.
― Holy Suffering Gobi Desert Clit Nun (Matt DC), Friday, 6 February 2009 15:30 (fifteen years ago) link
clear as glass, surrounded by hot air
― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2009 15:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Sorry, what am I doing? I appear to have got involved in a debate on the internet about which racist is worse than the other.
― Holy Suffering Gobi Desert Clit Nun (Matt DC), Friday, 6 February 2009 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Jon Snow used to call a colleague 'Gunga Din'
― Henry Frog (Frogman Henry), Friday, 6 February 2009 15:34 (fifteen years ago) link
FFS, Clarkson/Snow/etc., stop apologising/repenting. Anne Boleyn was guillotined, deal with it.
― Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 6 February 2009 15:36 (fifteen years ago) link
― Holy Suffering Gobi Desert Clit Nun (Matt DC), Friday, 6 February 2009 15:33 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
poll
― Limoncello Carlin (The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics), Friday, 6 February 2009 15:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Lord Foulkes "It is an absolute outrage of the worst kind. Disabled people will be up in arms about it, Scottish people will be angry – and it should concern all of us that the prime minister has been accused of lying."
ah see i was with him until that final bit (hey dude remember that little bit of trouble in Iraq a few years back?)
― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2009 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Didn't Clarkson have a go at someone who accused him of cottaging or something? Can dish it it out, can't...etc. Also the man is an outrageous liar.
― The Unbelievably Insensitive Baroness Vadera (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 6 February 2009 17:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Proved by science.
I think the One Show should replace Adrain Chiles with Hardeep Singh Kohli, coz he's a much nicer bloke.
― jel --, Friday, 6 February 2009 17:31 (fifteen years ago) link
nah he's annoying
― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2009 17:34 (fifteen years ago) link
racist
― jel --, Friday, 6 February 2009 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link