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plugging a USB keyboard in shouldn't disable the built-in, but I'd try it anyway to see if it affects the behavior at all.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 1 February 2013 17:12 (eleven years ago) link

first comment here might help? xp http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2011051714140216

caek, Friday, 1 February 2013 17:15 (eleven years ago) link

I'm sure it was the first thing you tried, but have you tapped on that key like there's no tomorrow? I've experienced a gummed up key or two in my day, not necessarily due to any foreign object or substance, just the springiness getting stuck. Sometimes you can dislodge it.

mh, Friday, 1 February 2013 17:17 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah she's sometimes had luck with pugilizing that key, sometimes not. I should say it's not physically stuck in any way. Feels like it's a problem with how it tells the computer it's pressed/not pressed.

hibernaculum (Jon Lewis), Friday, 1 February 2013 17:22 (eleven years ago) link

xpost hm so the idea is to remap so that the left shift key is not the left shift key anymore?

hibernaculum (Jon Lewis), Friday, 1 February 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago) link

ah right i see what you want to do. yeah ignore that comment then, but look into http://pqrs.org/macosx/keyremap4macbook/

caek, Friday, 1 February 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago) link

i'm not usually a fan of ppl using this thread for tech support, but i have a question so i'm going to be a hypocrite: for a while i had been sending and receiving imessages exclusively from my imac. then i got an ipad mini and for whatever reason none of those messages showed up in the messages app. at least when i checked a little while ago they weren't there. is there a way to get that old stuff to show up on the ipad or will stuff only start showing up on both devices now that i have two devices?

i know it's like a thing that icloud isn't perfect but, man, icloud really isn't perfect

markers, Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:50 (eleven years ago) link

iCloud doesn't store old text messages. They'll start showing up on both devices now, but the old ones from your iMac won't show up on your iPad. I restored my iPhone last night and lost a bunch of txts.

shaane, Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link

Actually, maybe iCloud stores old txts when it backs the device up but it won't sync those old txts across devices.

shaane, Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link

dope, thank you

markers, Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:26 (eleven years ago) link

When does Apple add web access for iMessage? I would REALLY like to just replace GoogleTalk, etc with it.

schwantz, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago) link

they may never

markers, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link

ya why would they do that

zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago) link

I just wish it were reliable. Recently I discovered a message didn't get to me, even although it was claimed 'delivered' to the sender. Turns out I got it on my computer, but not on my phone. It's really not good enough that.

Keith, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:09 (eleven years ago) link

I changed my account password and it took about a month for iMessage to recover.

stet, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link

I have never figured out how to enable iMessage and never want to. I get like 500 texts a month with my contract and I never even come close to using them all.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link

when people criticize apple and say how much better google's shit is when it comes to services, they're basically right. can you imagine this shit happening with gmail? it doesn't. i should probably be more worried than i am that i'm shoving so much of my stuff into apple's cloud.

markers, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link

I do like using it, because I like how I can use iChat to reply to people, if I have the computer. It's also nice to get a 'read' notification (this for obvious reasons, seems more reliable).

Keith, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link

Google would almost be guaranteed to do better at that stuff, since their culture values hard computer science; whereas, Apple's values softer stuff like user experience. It's hard to value all of it. In many ways, I'm amazed Apple's server stuff is as good as it is and that Google UI stuff isn't bloody awful.

Keith, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago) link

I used the hell out of iMessage to text people out of the country. For some reason my phone plan doesn't like me doing that.

Over the weekend, for the first time, I was using my iPad with the phone in the other room and it popped the message on to the device I was using at the minute. That was actually really cool.

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link

their culture values hard computer science; whereas, Apple's values softer stuff like user experience

this is crazy, Apple's coding standards are also very high and _not getting messages_ is the shittiest user experience imaginable

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago) link

and that Google UI stuff isn't bloody awful.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/24/3904134/google-redesign-how-larry-page-engineered-beautiful-revolution

markers, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago) link

Got our hands on a 27" iMac today. Lovely thing, but the screen is still hella shiny, the calibration is way off and the whole thing too bright for proper repro work :-(

anyone got any recommendations for security cage/lock things for mac minis? I've bought a couple that claim to fit on to the back of monitors, but they only work if the monitor isn't already using the VESA screws. (like huh?)

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:20 (eleven years ago) link

in other news, i just bought this -- http://readdle.com/products/scannerpro/ -- so we'll see how that goes

markers, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:20 (eleven years ago) link

Sometimes I don't get the messages.

Keith, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:20 (eleven years ago) link

I think it has more to do with some wishy-washiness on how iMessage, when it's not phone-to-phone, should work and it was linked to management shake-ups. If anything, I'd bet that it was a cross-disciplinary thing where there isn't an "iMessage team," just different groups trying to connect to the same services and doing it wrong.

Their web stuff was generally shitty due to constant mismanagement, though.

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link

also I should clarify on user code versus service code: Apple does a middling job of services, unless you could all the iTunes store stuff, which is actually pretty solid in that it moves a lot of product and doesn't really error out

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:25 (eleven years ago) link

I could believe that, though it's only in phone to phone scenarios I've ever lost messages. This is what's frustrating, as I understand that all software is chock full of bugs; I've been developing it for 33 years, but some things really have to be right and reliable delivery of messages like this is really critical for a user to have trust in it. The rest is icing on the cake.

x-post yes iTunes is pretty solid.

Keith, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link

they obviously didn't think through and rushed a lot of iMessage shit. did you see those reports of some messages going to a phone's former owner? they implemented it via device id rather than signed-in user. lots of weird assumptions.

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link

err, rather a phone's former owner's messages going to that phone, rather than their new phone

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link

I suppose what bothers me is that the last lost message was a few weeks ago. I'd have been fine if it were initial teething problems, but it's been on the go for what, a year?

Keith, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:32 (eleven years ago) link

ya why would they do that

Good user experience?

I have two MacBooks, and I've bought 3 different iPhones. However, my work computer is a PC. I would like to use iMessage, but I use Google Talk since there is no iMessage for PC. There is also no GoogleTalk for iPhone (no real version, with history, syncing with the gmail client, etc.). It would be cool if one of the two companies would get over themselves and get their messaging to work on all three platforms. I guess Google's answer is "buy an Android phone," and Apple's is "don't use a PC at work." Not sure whose is lamer. No ORCAD, Visio, or Allegro on a Mac, so I'm stuck.

And a Google Apps Sync for Outlook on MAc would be nice too, since the Mac mail.app is irreparably broken for me (seriously, I've tried everything).

schwantz, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link

The iTunes Store (and the apple store) is actually a bit of a mess too. It is generally solid on the straightforward buy->download scenario but everything else is archaic and junky. Even the new stuff, like Match.

(Related: Apps are still fundamentally treated like music singles on the back end, which is a bit hilarious. And one of the reasons there are still no trials or paid upgrades.)

Xp

stet, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:39 (eleven years ago) link

very true

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link

Yes, actually you are right. Match kind of only works if you want to work in its scenarios... So for example, I can't populate my iPhone manually (because it's got less storage than match) and then add things using match - I have to delete everything.

Also - manually managing things doesn't work very well all of a sudden (sorry stet, was obv going on about this the other day!)

Keith, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link

There are totally paid upgrades, though, they're "in-app purchases". Not sure if that's made it to the mac, though.

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, that works for new features you can bolt on, but it doesn't work for a full v2 upgrade. It's kinda a hack to get around the store limitations anyway.

stet, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago) link

I am glad ILX doesn't have ANY BUGS.

Keith, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago) link

If we had $600bn in the bank I bet moving threads between boards would be super-smooth. Probably have an animation on a textured background.

stet, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link

Yes it works not bad, considering I DID IT FOR LOVE.

Keith, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link

three-finger swipe to switch board

the late great, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago) link

sorry for all those times I said I might be able to help and then didn't, guys :(

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link

Did you? Oh hey don't worry about that! I don't remember anyway!

Keith, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:51 (eleven years ago) link

turns out that all that web application programming, deployment, and troubleshooting at work really made me disinterested in doing it outside of work

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link

I can understand that. I'm actually the opposite. I don't do it at work any more but still love it, so really enjoyed making ILX.

Keith, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link

haha ditto to everything mh said, including the apology (though I'm much more of a middle tier guy)

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link

I was quite close to using message queues in ILX by the way... Decided it seemed like overkill. Glad I did!

Keith, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:03 (eleven years ago) link

message queuing is super rad but also very tricky in some ways

I know Apple has a lot of work to get it right, but at the same time, it's hilarious to me how many newer web upstarts are scrambling all over the place with MQ-styled things now and learning it when it's old as hell and pretty much the grandchild of what's run every ATM network since... forever

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link

not that everyone needs big blue and MQSeries, but... yeah, queuing

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link

Indeed... All I thought I might've used some kind of free MQ thing for was to serialise new posts to completely avoid database contention. At the time, I had no access to usage information, so had no idea how frequent things might be. In practice, just doing as simple a database update as possible (though I do two tables now, only one back then) was the answer. Updates are really not frequent, so glad I didn't waste time doing queues.

Keith, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago) link


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