"Give me a spoonful of milk, a raw pigeon's egg and four houseflies."
― Stranded In the Jungle Groove (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 February 2013 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
the ale that won for Yale. Ra-ra.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 February 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
They don't want nothin' else.
― Stranded In the Jungle Groove (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 February 2013 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
a lot of 'raising kane' is basically just made up. andrew sarris's response-essay is a good takedown.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 18 February 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
that's true. Peter Lorre played a bald guy, so it's a ripoff!
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 February 2013 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
hey here's PK speaking in berkeley in 1968 (not sure if this talk was ever transcribed or published anywhere)
https://archive.org/details/FilmSinceWorldWarTwo-PaulineKael1968
― steaklife (donna rouge), Monday, 18 February 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
I need this. My bf says I don't.
http://www.zazzle.com/pauline_kael_t_shirts-235070180399309631
― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Friday, 22 March 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
Your bf is wrong.
― alternately mean and handsy (Eric H.), Friday, 22 March 2013 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
I know I should just be happy this exists, but I wish it looked better--wish it had her picture, for one thing. A friend bought me the Scorsese T-shirt from that director series a few years back, which had similar lettering. I wish she'd gotten me the Bela Tarr one instead, rendered like Black Flag.
― clemenza, Saturday, 23 March 2013 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
wish it had her picture, for one thing
We REALLY don't agree on aesthetics much, do we?
― alternately mean and handsy (Eric H.), Saturday, 23 March 2013 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
Sometimes; not often. It's more the font I don't like. But I think Kael had a great face; I'd enjoy having one person after another ask me who the woman is.
http://members.tripod.com/phildellio/kael.gif
― clemenza, Saturday, 23 March 2013 14:24 (eleven years ago) link
?! That font is hottt. Best of all her book covers, really.
― alternately mean and handsy (Eric H.), Saturday, 23 March 2013 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
You know, I completely missed that that indeed is her font--I was thinking it was taken from a metal band, like my Scorsese T-shirt. Okay, I'll meet you halfway: picture plus a different font. I'm a '70s guy, so I'd like some lowercase bubble letters.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M3mmFJxT20o/TqxveGjft9I/AAAAAAAAMP4/CFkOHO7Cr-g/s400/317904.jpg
― clemenza, Saturday, 23 March 2013 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
ok, i'm sick of her.
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 23 March 2013 14:55 (eleven years ago) link
Get better: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/movies/homevideo/new-dvds-wheeler-and-woolseys-rko-comedy-classics.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
― alternately mean and handsy (Eric H.), Saturday, 23 March 2013 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
heh! actually, aside from one or two -- Hips Hips Hooray, Diplomaniacs -- Bert & Bob's movies are all p much the same, and don't bear rewatching. But thx, honeybunch.
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 23 March 2013 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
Redford knows why she hated him:
http://www.esquire.com/features/robert-redford-interview-0413-2
I like and agree with the Woody Allen line.
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:35 (eleven years ago) link
Kael was also bitch enough
o rlly
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:37 (eleven years ago) link
man i love that the actors who seem most bitter about kael are redford and streep - two people who really got held back
― da croupier, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:50 (eleven years ago) link
esquire natch. love many redford films but he was basically a blond gregory peck who needed to work alongside a more talented, fun actor (newman, hoffman, fonda) to show any kind of spark.
― balls, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:07 (eleven years ago) link
Ouch. You might be right though. Some of his directorial work OK maybe.
― Blue Yodel No. 9 Dream (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:08 (eleven years ago) link
well croup, you don't read interviews with actors who were held back.
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:09 (eleven years ago) link
what failed actors who were held back by a negative kael review are you thinking of
― da croupier, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:10 (eleven years ago) link
How would I know? She skewered Kevin Costner pretty thoroughly, and look at him now...
Redford has a sort of spark in The Candidate, but I guess Peter Boyle is Mr Fun in that?
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:11 (eleven years ago) link
yeah. i've never seen the way we were, how is he in that. possibility exists in my mind he might not measure up to ryan o'neal.
― balls, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:24 (eleven years ago) link
― da croupier, Monday, April 29, 2013 9:10 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
morbs was saying your comment was colored by selection bias
― 'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:26 (eleven years ago) link
I've liked Redford in The Candidate, ATPM, Brubaker, and (lol) Legal Eagles, where he kinda loosened up and said fuck it I'm a movie star goddamnit (same with Sneakers).
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
Legal Eagles? Really?
― Blue Yodel No. 9 Dream (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
the character is kind of a zero (unless yer a nice Jewish girl who adores WASPs maybe). It's centered on Barbra.
xxxp
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
morbs was saying your comment was colored by selection biasdacroupier's fallacy
― Blue Yodel No. 9 Dream (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
I liked Legal Eagles too! didn't Winger loosen him up?
I think you guys are underestimatiing him a little. Imagine 3 Days of the Condor with Tom Cruise instead.
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
(very low whisper) I remember him being kind of amusing in Barefoot in the Park.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
LE is fun trash.
Quiz Show preserves his WASP-ish conflicts better than his acting choices.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
Brad Pitt's becoming more interesting to watch now that he's not so damn hung up on perceptions about his looks (which like Redford's are nothing special to me).
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:31 (eleven years ago) link
I thought Redford was fun in The Sting, but I've never gotten particularly attached to him in any way.
― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NVf-9cgrAE
― Blue Yodel No. 9 Dream (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
i mean yeah people who still get interviewed are more likely to get to give their two cents about a critic who didn't like them, but I don't think the degree of their desire to not just dismiss but disqualify her opinion of them is any less ironic for it. I've read a lot of anecdotes about Pauline Kael positive and negative and theirs really stand out.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:34 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think it's a coincidence that these are two people who haven't really had to deal with a lot of slings and arrows
― da croupier, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:36 (eleven years ago) link
clem i repped for barefoot in the park above sorta. never saw legal eagles, daryl hannah repelled more than debra winger could attract me. HUGE sneakers fan but man talk about more talented, fun costars. i probably am underrating him (may be working out something, butch and sundance is my dad's favorite movie)(redford's a better actor than katharine ross fwiw), he's better than gregory peck not as good as say brad pitt. i'd put him slightly over cruise but no way in hell am i watching that iraq war movie they made to test my ranking.
xpost
― balls, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:37 (eleven years ago) link
i always thought redford had more going for him than PK let on. not an all-time great but the guy's likable
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:37 (eleven years ago) link
I could be wrong but Kael was the only critic who consistently held her nose while watching Streep's Oscar nom-affirmed eighties work (A Cry in the Dark the exception). And tbh Roger Ebert fell for most of Streep perfs without thinking twice.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:38 (eleven years ago) link
surprise!
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
If Redford has a role as fun as Gregory Peck's in Duel In The Sun I haven't seen it.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
Always liked PK's "radio performance" dis of Streep's Sophie.
what about Redford as Death on The Twilight Zone?
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:40 (eleven years ago) link
he was good on twilight zone but yknow not shatner good
― balls, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:41 (eleven years ago) link
Daryl Hannah as performance artist in LE really needs to be seen
― velko, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:41 (eleven years ago) link
what about Hannah as artist below?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knVbfhmME1g
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:41 (eleven years ago) link
Redford's way stiff for my tastes but he's never really hurt or helped a movie that I've seen
― da croupier, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:42 (eleven years ago) link
Was wondering when the Twilight Zone card was gonna get played.
― Blue Yodel No. 9 Dream (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:42 (eleven years ago) link
tbh when I think Eighties Film "Meryl Streep" is the first name to knock me to sleep.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:43 (eleven years ago) link