heh ITV in the UK showed the US version a few times when they screened The Shining on TV in the 1980s
i seem to remember reading, somewhere on the web, that kubrick preferred the European cut - think the best edit wld prob be the Euro version WITH the scene w/ the doctor reinserted (Halloran's journey really slows the movie down in the US cut, think it works fine much shorter in the Euro version)
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 1 March 2013 17:06 (eleven years ago) link
can't imagine the movie without the doctor scene but yeah i guess you could cut halloran's journey, altho it would diminish the sadistic ratio of time spent watching him travel to the hotel : time he survives once at the hotel, and i still think that's a good joke
― a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Friday, 1 March 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
Somewhere on some "Shining" ephemera website I saw a thing with Kubrick's meticulously detailed handwritten timeline of Halloran's travels vs. what was happening at the hotel at the same time, to make sure the timing made logical sense with the travel times and time zone changes. It was hilarious.
― ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Friday, 1 March 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.stephenking.com/images/books/doctor_sleep/doctor_sleep_full.jpg
On highways across America, a tribe of people called The True Knot travel in search of sustenance. They look harmless—mostly old, lots of polyester, and married to their RVs. But as Dan Torrance knows, and tween Abra Stone learns, The True Knot are quasi-immortal, living off the “steam” that children with the “shining” produce when they are slowly tortured to death.Haunted by the inhabitants of the Overlook Hotel where he spent one horrific childhood year, Dan has been drifting for decades, desperate to shed his father’s legacy of despair, alcoholism, and violence. Finally, he settles in a New Hampshire town, an AA community that sustains him, and a job at a nursing home where his remnant “shining” power provides the crucial final comfort to the dying. Aided by a prescient cat, he becomes “Doctor Sleep.”Then Dan meets the evanescent Abra Stone, and it is her spectacular gift, the brightest shining ever seen, that reignites Dan’s own demons and summons him to a battle for Abra’s soul and survival. This is an epic war between good and evil, a gory, glorious story that will thrill the millions of hyper-devoted readers of The Shining and wildly satisfy anyone new to the territory of this icon in the King canon.
Haunted by the inhabitants of the Overlook Hotel where he spent one horrific childhood year, Dan has been drifting for decades, desperate to shed his father’s legacy of despair, alcoholism, and violence. Finally, he settles in a New Hampshire town, an AA community that sustains him, and a job at a nursing home where his remnant “shining” power provides the crucial final comfort to the dying. Aided by a prescient cat, he becomes “Doctor Sleep.”
Then Dan meets the evanescent Abra Stone, and it is her spectacular gift, the brightest shining ever seen, that reignites Dan’s own demons and summons him to a battle for Abra’s soul and survival. This is an epic war between good and evil, a gory, glorious story that will thrill the millions of hyper-devoted readers of The Shining and wildly satisfy anyone new to the territory of this icon in the King canon.
― ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Saturday, 2 March 2013 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
The pic didn't embed, but you can see the cover here: http://www.stephenking.com/promo/doctor_sleep/
thank god because i had so many unanswered questions
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 March 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
The True Knot are quasi-immortal, living off the “steam” that children with the “shining” produce when they are slowly tortured to death.
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 March 2013 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
quote marks killing me
― poll that whitey music pfunkboy (darraghmac), Saturday, 2 March 2013 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
he's been on a pretty good run lately so i'm not writing it off just yet. room 237 lived up to the hype btw, total trip.
― balls, Saturday, 2 March 2013 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
"Aided by a prescient cat" has me side-eyeing this whole deal just a little bit.
― ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Saturday, 2 March 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
They look harmless—mostly old, lots of polyester
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 March 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
The prescient cat?
― tokyo rosemary, Monday, 4 March 2013 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
― ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Saturday, March 2, 2013 3:34 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that was the thing that excited me the most!
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 01:19 (eleven years ago) link
Room 237 is a terrific watch. It reminded me, in a funny way, of the Rotten Apple youtube series "demonstrating" the Pal McCan'tBe conspiracy. It's an insight into a tangled thought process that makes some kind of internal sense but is utterly improbable.
― give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Friday, 8 March 2013 09:13 (eleven years ago) link
nice Atkinson piece (R237 opens in NY Friday, LA too?):
http://blog.sundancenow.com/new-releases/viva-mabuse-30-bash-your-head-right-fucking-in
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 March 2013 03:10 (eleven years ago) link
opens in LA on the 5th
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 25 March 2013 06:35 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/128033/kubricks-lost-holocaust-filmhttp://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/127899/kubrick-room-237
― Mordy, Friday, 29 March 2013 04:11 (eleven years ago) link
i wanna go see room 237 sometime.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 29 March 2013 04:19 (eleven years ago) link
Seeing it today
― Look, Brian, about the afro wig... (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 March 2013 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
Just saw Cuckoo's Nest today and was happy to see Scatman Crothers
― calstars, Saturday, 30 March 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
lol, 237 is hystericalsuch a good call not to show the conspiracy theorists
― Look, Brian, about the afro wig... (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 March 2013 23:01 (eleven years ago) link
predictably, I loved Room 237. Just a lot of fun. I could have watched it forever.
Loved how moments of really penetrating insight are juxtaposed to the most extravagant reaching. Thought the guy who talked about the "pastness" and escaping from the horrors of history was really persuasive and even makes the film kind of moving. It's jives with what I've felt about it, anyway.
Loved the bit about the carpet. Never noticed it before and totally captivated by that idea. Also buy that many of the continuity errors are so obvious that they seem deliberate. I mean, a whole chair missing? Pants changing?
The main point against the Apollo guy isn't so much anything he says but his own paranoia and just how improbable and crazy what he's saying sounds.
― ryan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 02:52 (eleven years ago) link
also this movie brings up a feeling I wish had a name: when credulity turns to incredulity. you want to believe and agree, your fascinated and open to what is being said, and then the revelation comes and it doesn't connect with your experience and there's an urge to laugh and an even deeper feeling of disappointment or frustration, "no that's not it."
― ryan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:13 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i loved it, i think i laughed hardest at the women seeing the minotaur in the damn skiing pic. main takeaway i got was i really really want to see the shining again soon (and i'm not even that huge on kubrick compared to most of ilx and the shining esp doesn't rank that highly but just seeing it here was enough).
― balls, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:21 (eleven years ago) link
Oh man, I really want to see 237. And I don't even like the Shining all that much (I think it's good, just not... revelatory).
― emil.y, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:30 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i was like "I DON'T SEE A MINOTAUR!" but really does work with the maze theme?
― ryan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:33 (eleven years ago) link
and Kubrick's face in the clouds, and the really bizarre "phallus" that one guy sees.
― ryan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:34 (eleven years ago) link
yeah was so disappointed to not see kubrick's face in the clouds, I WANT TO BELIEVE
― balls, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:38 (eleven years ago) link
haha. also there's still SO MUCH weird shit that they don't even get to! dudes, no one has a clue what the blow-jobbing bear costume thing is about? and the one lady totally punts on the guy with the drink and split head.
― ryan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:40 (eleven years ago) link
must check imdb for other continuity errors
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:42 (eleven years ago) link
i cd swear the bear costume guy is straight from the book?
― parcheesi Wotsits (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:43 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but.....???
anyway other than the carpet thing my favorite part was the bill watson stuff, since that's always intrigued me as well. he's up to no good, that guy.
― ryan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:46 (eleven years ago) link
Bear guy is regularly used to suggest danny being abused by his dad, it seemed weird no one mentioned it?
― Look, Brian, about the afro wig... (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 31 March 2013 05:06 (eleven years ago) link
The bear (actually dog costume) guy is from the book. There's actually a pretty detailed backstory for it that ties into the hotel's history. Kubrick presumably thought it was way freakier sans explanation. And he was right!
― la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Sunday, 31 March 2013 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
I also like how everyone assumes it's a guy...
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 31 March 2013 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
The Indian slaughter/violence-of-American-history subtext seems the most plausible out of all the theories in the movie. The only problem is that the guy pushing that angle turns what was likely one of many threads into the film's raison d'être.
― la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Sunday, 31 March 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
I hate to keep people out of the theater, but Room 237 is "on demand" at least in NYC
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, 31 March 2013 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
i saw it thru itunes.
― ryan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
The Indian slaughter/violence-of-American-history subtext seems the most plausible out of all the theories in the movie
There's that one website that did an exhaustive scene-by-scene depiction of it, which follows this train of thought, and has been posted many times on this thread, probably 2 or 3 times by me, so i'd feel embarrassed about posting it again. I think the site that hosted it was called 'mastermind' or something...
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 1 April 2013 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1729_10151547696865600_1549660818_n.jpg
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Monday, 1 April 2013 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
xp the doc refers to a msg board poster named mastrmind who declined to be interviewed. thats the jumping off pt for the superimposition stuff
― johnny crunch, Monday, 1 April 2013 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
oh dude that baphomet thing is amazing holy sh1t
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 1 April 2013 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
OMG YES
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 1 April 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
that's really cool
― ryan, Monday, 1 April 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
u guys don't think Ascher wants you to accept evrything put forth in the film, now do ya
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
no.
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
he's a filmmaker not a schoolteacher iirc.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
He's actually both, but they teach postmodern theory now, y'know.
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
Jack's not even making the right hand gestures tho
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
actually that photo is Jack's head superimposed onto an actual vintage photograph, believe it or not.
― la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:18 (eleven years ago) link