"Hipster" as pejorative.

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i looked at the first few paragraphs and i'm still sentient. almost.

it reminds me of a girl named jessica i knew in high school. she was fond of making sweeping, unsustainable generalizations about the zeitgeist, à la "the whole culture is just slipping into darkness" or "people don't even know how to be happy anymore."

amateurist, Thursday, 31 July 2008 21:59 (fifteen years ago) link

WTF at that article...

There will always be people who listen to certain bands/go to particular bars/wear certain clothes, not because they want to, but because they are trying to impress other people with how "cool" they are. Fuck them.

snoball, Thursday, 31 July 2008 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link

like this?
http://www.dickdestiny.com/gaybomb.jpg

yungblut, Thursday, 31 July 2008 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link

The first marginally NSFW hipster thread on ILX?
My, that is a tiny little handbag...

snoball, Thursday, 31 July 2008 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link

This article was very o_O or whatever, the thing about the keffiyeh does bother me.

Adbusters in general is fifty percent interesting and thought provoking and fifty percent .O_o.

I know, right?, Friday, 1 August 2008 00:30 (fifteen years ago) link

I guess I can't say anything about that adbusters piece that everyone isn't already thinking. I just wish that *cultural critics* who are actually published in magazines would be required to have actually read something about past cultural/countercultural movements before comparing them to some vague alleged current trend.

Hurting 2, Friday, 1 August 2008 01:30 (fifteen years ago) link

aren't hipsters just scenesters? It feels like every "movement" needs loads of hanger ons with disposable income and risky fashion choices.

I know, right?, Friday, 1 August 2008 01:36 (fifteen years ago) link

<A href=Damned kids these days!;No, don't you see? Hipsterism is an entirely new, unique and threatening trend, totally unlike all those other youth movements of the past!</a>

Oilyrags, Friday, 1 August 2008 01:38 (fifteen years ago) link

It's so not a movement

I know, right?, Friday, 1 August 2008 01:47 (fifteen years ago) link

So basically the only people left who are not considered hipsters now are polygamist cultists, QVC-shoppers and people who considered Bop Hope a real loss.

Hurting 2, Friday, 1 August 2008 01:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Even the Amish have beards and Shakers make stuff so they're right out.

Hurting 2, Friday, 1 August 2008 01:49 (fifteen years ago) link

^

I know, right?, Friday, 1 August 2008 01:50 (fifteen years ago) link

“These hipster zombies… are the idols of the style pages, the darlings of viral marketers and the marks of predatory real-estate agents,” wrote Christian Lorentzen in a Time Out New York article entitled ‘Why the Hipster Must Die.’ “And they must be buried for cool to be reborn.”

this approvingly quoted article sucked too btw

dmr, Friday, 1 August 2008 02:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Is there a way of life (assuming "lifestyle" is an obscenity in this context) that can't somehow be be targeted by people who want to sell stuff?

j.lu, Friday, 1 August 2008 02:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Nuns?

I know, right?, Friday, 1 August 2008 02:59 (fifteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6305433909.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Hurting 2, Friday, 1 August 2008 03:04 (fifteen years ago) link

really now.

I know, right?, Friday, 1 August 2008 03:05 (fifteen years ago) link

keep trying deejnuts

am0n, Friday, 1 August 2008 03:05 (fifteen years ago) link

the commenters on that are not so bad! like:

Hmmm... "this cursory and stylized lifestyle has made the hipster almost universally loathed." Loathed by whom? Who could possibly care enough to loathe?

This 'critique' is either a clever exercise in the poetics of self-parody or the most stone-unconscious piece of pretension ever. I can't tell which. Its true, Adbusters has always been right near the cutting edge of the thing it most pretends to despise - the (counter)cultural cool - but this piece truly seals the deal. What could be more hipster then slammin' the hipsters - with yer 'black spot' sneakers on and all? Jeez. Its all so silly. Don't you have some real work to do somewhere? How is this different from any other anti-fashion fashion?

I don't know ... almost from the beginning (what has it been, 14 years?) I've so wanted to like and admire Adbusters... but I give up - there's never been any real critique here - no research or argument or evidence - just a lot of slick production, adolescent ranting and sour grapes. What is Adbusters but another elite cul-de-sac for art school types - a smart little circle of folks who admire each other's 'work?' Honestly - what is Adbusters for? I seem to have missed something...

^^^ pretty good zing

s1ocki, Saturday, 2 August 2008 04:44 (fifteen years ago) link

i always thought/used hipster as a patronising synonym of trendy, ie a follower, someone who is up to date but only looking at other people's clocks

yes

Granny Dainger, Saturday, 2 August 2008 05:50 (fifteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/08/nyregion/08trustafarians.html?_r=1

June 8, 2009
Parental Lifelines, Frayed to Breaking

By CHRISTINE HAUGHNEY
For the past five years, Ernie DiGiacomo has been able to count on parents to guarantee the $1,500 to $2,500 rents he charges for the 15 apartments he owns in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. When he called renters who had missed payments, he often heard, “My parents will send you a check.”

But in the past six months, the parents are pulling back financial help, he said, and as a result, he has watched more renters move out.

“Most of them are moving back with parents,” Mr. DiGiacomo said.

Luis Illades, an owner of the Urban Rustic Market and Cafe on North 12th Street, said he had seen a steady number of applicants, in their late 20s, who had never held paid jobs: They were interns at a modeling agency, for example, or worked at a college radio station. In some cases, applicants have stormed out of the market after hearing the job requirements.

“They say, ‘You want me to work eight hours?’ ” Mr. Illades said. “There is a bubble bursting.”

Famed for its concentration of heavily subsidized 20-something residents — also nicknamed trust-funders or trustafarians — Williamsburg is showing signs of trouble. Parents whose money helped fuel one of the city’s most radical gentrifications in recent years have stopped buying their children new luxury condos, subsidizing rents and providing cash to spend at Bedford Avenue’s boutiques and coffee houses.

For 18 months after graduating from Colby College, Jack Drury, 24, lived the way many Williamsburg residents do: He followed his passions, working in satellite radio and playing guitar. He earned money as a bicycle messenger and, on occasion, turned to his parents for money.

But as the recession deepened last fall, his parents had to cut the staff at their event planning company to 30 workers from 50. Asked for his help, Mr. Drury cast aside his other pursuits and started work as a project manager for his parents. But he still plays the guitar in two bands, Haunted Castle and Rats in the Walls.

“My future is in the family business,” he said. “Music is just for fun.”

The real estate market, too, is shifting as wealth evaporates. Ross Weinstein, a managing partner of the Union Square Mortgage Group, has worked with hundreds of Williamsburg apartment buyers in the past two years.

“A lot of the money came from family,” he said. “That piece, it’s gone for a lot of people.”

In the boom years, Mr. Weinstein said, 40 percent of the mortgage applications he reviewed for buyers in Williamsburg included down-payment money, from $50,000 to $300,000, from parents. About 20 percent of the applications listed investments that gave the young buyers $3,000 to $10,000 of monthly income.

But in the past two months, Mr. Weinstein said, he has handled two to three deals a week in which the parents cut back their down-payment help.

The number of sales in Williamsburg dropped nearly a quarter in the first three months of this year compared with the same period a year ago, according to HMS Associates, a Brooklyn appraisal firm. And in three recent cases, Mr. Weinstein said, owners sold their apartments in short sales — selling for less than the bank is owed, to avoid foreclosure — because they were no longer receiving parental help.

Mr. Weinstein has been advising two brothers in their late 20s who wanted to buy a $700,000 apartment with $250,000 from their parents. But their parents’ investment portfolio has lost so much value that they now can give only $50,000. Since the brothers make about $45,000 a year each, they are now shopping for a $500,000 apartment.

The parents still wish they could help, Mr. Weinstein said, but “right now, they’re in a situation in their life where they need to ensure their own security.”

It is an adjustment that many have to deal with. Eric Gross, 26, a construction worker, was going to buy, with help from his father, a $600,000 one-bedroom condo with city views at Northside Piers, a luxury building, he said.

But his father, who works in the auto industry, said he had to reduce his contribution. “He’s pulling back the lifeline,” Mr. Gross said.

So Mr. Gross is scaling back, shopping for a $300,000 apartment, said his real estate agent, Binnie Robinson of AptsandLofts.com.

It can be hard to see the signs of financial troubles in Williamsburg because residents are so loath to show that they had money in the first place. Robert Lanham, author of “The Hipster Handbook,” said in an interview that many newer residents tried to blend in with the area’s gritty history and dressed “half the time like they’re homeless people.”

But parental help was obvious in the intersection of residents with low-paying jobs and $3,000-a-month apartments.

“You can put two and two together, that they have money coming in from somewhere else,” Mr. Lanham said.

The culture of the area often mocks residents who depend on their families. Misha Calvert, 26, a writer who relied on her parents during her first year in the city, now has three roommates, works in freelance jobs and organizes parties to help keep her afloat while she writes plays and acts in films. There is a “giant stigma,” she said, for Williamsburg residents who are not financially independent.

“It takes the wind out of you if you’re not the independent, self-reliant artist you claim to be,” she said, “if you’re just daddy’s little girl.”

The cutbacks for the more privileged residents are a welcome change for locals who have struggled to support themselves without parental help.

Katie Deedy, 27, an artist, works two bartending jobs to shore up her designer wallpaper business. Gazing out from the bar at the patrons playing darts and sipping bloody marys during a Sunday shift at the Brooklyn Ale House, she described how refreshing it felt not being the only local resident trying to live on less.

“If I’m going to be completely honest, it does make me feel a little bit better,” she said. “It’s bringing a lot of Williamsburg back to reality.”

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thirdalternative, Monday, 8 June 2009 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I knew what this revive was going to be when I saw it.

Garri$on Kilo (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 00:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Do you feel smart?

thirdalternative, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 01:41 (fifteen years ago) link

I am still lobbying for "hep cat". Much the preferred appellation, imo.

Aimless, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 01:48 (fifteen years ago) link

does anyone remember what the other thread that discussed this article was?

Garri$on Kilo (Hurting 2), Monday, 15 June 2009 03:07 (fifteen years ago) link

quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

ws the bartendress/budding wallpaper impresario, i gotta say

Executive Producer Wolf Dick (haitch), Monday, 15 June 2009 03:44 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...

From: platypus samurai | Posted: 1/2/2010 09:16:43 PM | Filter | Message Detail | Quote
You can literally go through the part of Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations and replace every instance of the word "game" with "hipster," and the whole argument will still make sense...it will also shed some light on what a hipster is.

Cunga, Sunday, 3 January 2010 05:18 (fourteen years ago) link

confirm bookmark

sarahel, Sunday, 3 January 2010 05:23 (fourteen years ago) link

isn't that true of many super-words?

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Sunday, 3 January 2010 06:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Nabisco was being pretty reasonable and lucid (as usual) about the subject upthread, and this is a hard subject to be lucid about.

I was trying to think of something succinct to say about this, and I thought that a lot of the recent confusion about hipsters and the word's definition comes from the fact that the traditional counter-culture v.s. official culture dichotomy no longer exists (and it was through that prism that the traditional meaning of hipster made sense).

"You will always have the hip among you," but the idea of the hipster as some sort of cultural warrior doesn't fit in with the modern world anymore, I don't think. Or not quite like it used to fit.

Cunga, Sunday, 3 January 2010 07:20 (fourteen years ago) link

http://i49.tinypic.com/5ycaiu.jpg

Cunga, Sunday, 3 January 2010 07:50 (fourteen years ago) link

if being hip is a crime then put me in jail man

latebloomer, Sunday, 3 January 2010 08:00 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://unhappyhipsters.com/

kenan, Saturday, 30 January 2010 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link

http://webtech.fdresa.org/amiller/images/COOLLINK.gif

MODE NOTE: This URL sets off malware warnings. Stop using this image please.

ben bernankles (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 30 January 2010 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Uhhh... where are the hipsters?

26 Mixes Focaccia (Stevie D), Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link

They're dead. DEAD! They're all DEAD and you KILLED THEM, DEAD!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Maybe they're so sad they couldn't even step into the frame. Or so dead.

26 Mixes Focaccia (Stevie D), Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Uhhh... where are the hipsters?

these are just pictures of wealthy north americans.

free the charmless but occasionally brilliant Dom Passantino (history mayne), Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link

huh.

maybe the hipster is the one making the bitchy comments about the pictures

lukevalentine, Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link

i.e. the blogger

lukevalentine, Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I feel like hipsters are so easy to make fun of and yet I haven't once seen it done well.

26 Mixes Focaccia (Stevie D), Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/ <--- at least not funny/clever like this

26 Mixes Focaccia (Stevie D), Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link

I feel like hipsters are so easy to make fun of and yet I haven't once seen it done well.

let's hear you try!

lukevalentine, Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Someone has linked this by now, right?

http://www.latfh.com/

Evan, Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link

HAHAHAHAHA HIPSTERS

ben bernankles (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Guess, since people will apparently link to anything that has the word "hipster" in it, maybe you can help me make this a meme

http://hipsterpuppies.tumblr.com/

ben bernankles (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link

xp yes that's exactly what I was referring to. Like, this could actually be really funny if you had half a brain and didn't shoot for the most obvious/lowest common denominator

26 Mixes Focaccia (Stevie D), Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwk2ybRzUJ1qzzhzdo1_500.jpg

“What’s all the plastic wrap for? So I don’t burn my chest. Duh.”

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kugejuldVz1qzzhzdo1_500.jpg

“Check out my old school fixie!”

26 Mixes Focaccia (Stevie D), Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link

lol@ hipster puppies but like all of you including me get what ur asking 4 when u open this thread tbh

plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 30 January 2010 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I wonder if there's a corelation between what "level" of hipster one is in the soon-to-be-developed hipster rating system and when you were alerted to the existence of the unhappyhipsters site.

sarahel, Saturday, 30 January 2010 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link


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