xpost bbbut this "very specific R. idea of italy" would not have been conveyed in any physical sense in the orig productions! so what do we do to be faithful? (not being stroppy with you here; it's an interesting question)
doing shakespeare in contemp (or even 19th cent) theatrical conventions (the proscenium, lights, sets) is as much an adaptation as doing a film really.
― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link
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― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link
I think one way (and this is not at all a conclusive answer) people have sensibly-ish dealt with the "very specific idea" is by 'diffrent-historical-period'-style adaptions (eg Ren. audiences know Italy is full of poisoners and creeps, where is the equivalent to the imagination of now?) (haha Italy), and for me the strength of BL's R&J is that it addresses this in a very very clever way - ie saying that what we need to equivolate is as much the sense of Italy as strange magical, a place of dream and intrigue and legend experienced only onstage, as the sense of it being violent, full of poisoners etc...
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link
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― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:44 (nineteen years ago) link
*but not costume! but these were all anachronistic as well ie no togas in julius caesar etc.
― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.interinfo.co.jp/102a%20romeo+juliet.jpg
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link
theater is so wierd; more than any other artform the blueprint for performance is totally incomplete (ok well jazz standards too)
― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link
Shakespearian texts don't offer a blueprint for performance because they're not designed for performance, thoughmaybe? Beckett gives pretty strict directions, after all.
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 05:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link
The Priest's Crucifix backpiece was a nice touch.
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― g e o f f (gcannon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Isn't it that playwrights in Shakespeare's day weren't writing for multiple companies who could be producing the work anywhere, but for a specific troupe they'd be interacting with at the time of production?
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link
plain as day!
― g e o f f (gcannon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link
Yeah, exactly. I think what I actually meant by this was somethng like: 'The texts we call Shakespeare's Plays are records of performance, transcribed and printed for reading', but yeah, what you said.
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 12 May 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link
i have a real soft spot for this movie
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 9 March 2009 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link
I've never seen it, but Leo was way hotter as a downy androgyne than now.
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 March 2009 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link
i like the idea that there is a difference between people who saw this and knew what florida was, so that it felt like a "modernizing" production, and people who saw this but really had no idea about florida and so the setting was as imaginary as Verona had been to shsksp's contemporaries.
― c sharp major, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:23 (fifteen years ago) link
least favorite movie of all time
― iatee, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:32 (fifteen years ago) link
(Luhrmann is gay, right?)― Gravel Puzzleworth
he's not gay; i think his wife is his production designer.― Amateur(ist)
Baz Luhrmann is like all the worst qualities of gay males without any of the redeeming qualities.
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Monday, 9 March 2009 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link
wait, I thought that was me!
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link
i have a softspot for this movie too but it took me a while. was expecting too much when i first saw it, so i was disappointed.
young leo + young claire was great
― Surmounter, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:55 (fifteen years ago) link
baz has only made 4 films. that's kinda weird, no?
― Lovelace, Monday, 9 March 2009 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link
that pace accommodates his Kubrick-for-ADD-sufferers vision
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 March 2009 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
um, guys, i own that movie. why don't you all come over and we'll watch it and reminisce about high school?
catherine martin (luhrman's wife) is the reason his movies look so good.
― yur twit (tehresa), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link
i think danes is really annoying in this movie, but it's one of my favorite leo performances.
― yur twit (tehresa), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link
so glad u like this movie tz, i thought i would be the only one
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
I suspect I wd prefer the Ethan Hawke Hamlet (which really is good)
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 March 2009 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link
if you are fucking with me i will punch uxpost
― yur twit (tehresa), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
uhhh im the one that revived it homie
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe it was 'ironic'?
― yur twit (tehresa), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link
never, i totally dig on this movie
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link
will ride for this all day tbh
― been HOOS, where yyyou steene!? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link
totally didn't realize paul rudd was in this
― sonderborg, Monday, 9 March 2009 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Anyway let's anticapate UNTITLED ALEXANDER PROJECT!― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:01 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:01 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark
lol
― been HOOS, where yyyou steene!? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 9 March 2009 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link
love this movie
― Dane Cook's Illustrated (I DIED), Monday, 9 March 2009 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link
really fantastic production design
― Dane Cook's Illustrated (I DIED), Monday, 9 March 2009 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link
yes!!
― yur twit (tehresa), Monday, 9 March 2009 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link
more haters need to come out and express their hate for this amazingly hateable movie
it's like the worst music video ever made or something
― iatee, Monday, 9 March 2009 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link
i hate this.
― Blackout Crew are the Beatles of donk (jim), Monday, 9 March 2009 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link
prefer the comic
― s1ocki, Monday, 9 March 2009 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link
in theory baz luhrmann's other movies could also be the worst movie ever made
but I am never going to watch them
― iatee, Monday, 9 March 2009 22:32 (fifteen years ago) link
you are the donk of baz luhrmann
― been HOOS, where yyyou steene!? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 9 March 2009 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Strictly Ballroom is actually pretty good.
― Alex in SF, Monday, 9 March 2009 22:35 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm quite amazed to hear that Luhrmann is not gay.
He was, one understands, gay before the marriage. And still declines to identify as straight.
― Bernard's Butter (sic), Monday, 9 March 2009 22:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Actually I find this radically defensible.
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Which means I am all the worst qualities of gay males without any of the good ones.
Banger *
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:22 (two months ago) link
MAKE A MUTINY AMONG MY GUESTS?
Also love how Leguizamo delivers the 'peace? Peace?' line.
Seen this so many times through teaching the text that I have no distance from it at all. Love it. I must say 'the boys the boys' a couple of times a week.
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Saturday, 16 March 2024 18:44 (two months ago) link
Yeah that’s a superb delivery and the pause & crunch is insanely greathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux2FgZizcrc
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 16 March 2024 22:36 (two months ago) link
So great, lurzman struck serious gold here, everything else he’s done has been completely not my thing at all, this is so weird and dreamy and sensational
― brimstead, Sunday, 17 March 2024 00:15 (two months ago) link
Yeah, he’s such a hacky vulgarian, no idea how he had it in him to make this.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 17 March 2024 00:46 (two months ago) link
otm to everything in the revive except nv's lament for leguizamo who has had imo a very interesting time of it
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 March 2024 09:42 (two months ago) link
he may have continued to be really good in stuff i'm not interested in tbf
― Morris O’Shea Salazar (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 March 2024 10:16 (two months ago) link
what a great filmages welltime to rewatch
― Swen, Monday, 18 March 2024 07:25 (two months ago) link