http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22624100
Assuming that this turns out to be definitely an attack on a soldier, then the warning signs that it would happen can be found in the heart of al-Qaeda's violent ideology and how that has been interpreted by followers in the UK and other Western nations.
this guy blowing nult out of the water.
― ... (LocalGarda), Thursday, 23 May 2013 08:47 (eleven years ago) link
Ha I actually thought that was a pretty good piece by the standards of the bbc website.
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 08:55 (eleven years ago) link
yeah not a bad piece i guess, just a really awful sentence.
― ... (LocalGarda), Thursday, 23 May 2013 09:02 (eleven years ago) link
@edfenergy is the hot feed rn
― my name is louis and i'm an acoleuthic (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 May 2013 09:06 (eleven years ago) link
other than slight hardening of racist attitudes in the short term
A change of direction too. Up to now most of your anti-Muslim racists thought they just hated brown South Asians - now they can widen the scope to black Africans.
― The Parvenu Fucktard (onimo), Thursday, 23 May 2013 09:29 (eleven years ago) link
I always think COBRA sounds like a cool intelligence organisation then I remember it's the name of where the meetings are held - Cabinet Office Briefing Room A.
― The Parvenu Fucktard (onimo), Thursday, 23 May 2013 09:35 (eleven years ago) link
Mum talked down Woolwich terrorists who told her: 'We want to start a war in London tonight'
Mum who is an immigrant btw
― Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 May 2013 09:40 (eleven years ago) link
John Reid reappeared yesterday to bang on about the need for the government to increasingly monitor internet traffic, Skype, etc. Like how on earth would that prevent two nutters hacking someone to death with a machete? It's hardly a complex logistical operation.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 23 May 2013 09:52 (eleven years ago) link
she obviously showed bravery, or whatever it is to tell off a psychopath, but the weirdly patronising/worthy canonisation of heroes from violent or tragic events is really cloying and irritating.
xpost
― ... (LocalGarda), Thursday, 23 May 2013 09:53 (eleven years ago) link
Some sites are naming the killer who spoke on the video clip as a 20-year-old British Nigerian who had converted to Islam and had recently been preaching in the streets in Woolwich.
― The Parvenu Fucktard (onimo), Thursday, 23 May 2013 09:54 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think it diminishes the horror (or even newsworthyness) of the event to say that there's possibly not a lot to be "curious" about at the moment. We know a tiny number of people would feel justified in attacking soldiers. We know a hopefully equally tiny number of people would try to burn down a mosque on the flimsiest of pretexts. As shocking as this is, it doesn't really tell us anything new or point to an obvious future political / social shift, other than slight hardening of racist attitudes in the short term.
― хуто-хуторянка (ShariVari), Thursday, 23 May 2013 08:35 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a big bag of OTM
― the league against cool sports (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:03 (eleven years ago) link
Oh great. So, that's every street preacher on every town/city centre becoming the new attack-point, as opposed to being ignored and walked past, right?
― Mark G, Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:11 (eleven years ago) link
she obviously showed bravery, or whatever it is to tell off a psychopath, but the weirdly patronising/worthy canonisation of heroes from violent or tragic events is really cloying and irritating.xpost― ... (LocalGarda), Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:53 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ... (LocalGarda), Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:53 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
could be worse...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/941975_435525179877046_272048128_n.jpg
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:13 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't mean to imply that you should have some particularly prurient fascination but that this is of legitimate interest and is a notable event and I think in the United States people are very drawn to examining/understanding these events.
I'll give you the first but not the second. Which is also why I feel LBI is being disingenuous about "All news is rolling" - the this-just-in impression of rolling news (which Woolwich ironically really isn't at this stage?) gives everything the sheen of "We just heard this, it might be relevant, or it might not, who knows" and cuts off the chance to sit down and say "Here are the things we actually know and here's what we think about what we know" - in the time it takes to organise that, a competing news source may have newer fresher info from the entrails of a raven or something.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:13 (eleven years ago) link
cameron has proven unable to effectively exploit or prosecute anything thus far― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:08 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:08 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm. first time i've been glad cameron is prime minister and the govt is the present coalition.
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:25 (eleven years ago) link
"The bus then started to move away. They dropped us in the middle of Lewisham which really annoyed me because I had no idea how to get from there to Parliament Square."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/22/woolwich-first-person-account
― PJ Miller, Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:31 (eleven years ago) link
the this-just-in impression of rolling news (which Woolwich ironically really isn't at this stage?) gives everything the sheen of "We just heard this, it might be relevant, or it might not, who knows" and cuts off the chance to sit down and say "Here are the things we actually know and here's what we think about what we know" - in the time it takes to organise that, a competing news source may have newer fresher info from the entrails of a raven or something
hmm, i'm not sure - in my experience of being sacked out in front of BBC news 24, unable to turn it off although I know it should, it tends to spend a lot of time reiterating "here are the things we actually know". But you're right I think about the overall effect of rolling news, the sense that this-just-in imparts which is that NEW INFORMATION IS CONSTANTLY COMING IN NEW THINGS ARE HAPPENING STAY TUNED when in fact nothing new is, neither information nor analysis, so as a viewer you're hyped up and held waiting and generally in an unhealthy place.
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:34 (eleven years ago) link
David Cameron @David_CameronI will be making a statement shortly. One of the best ways to defeat terrorism is to go about our normal lives11:28 AM - 23 May 2013
― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:35 (eleven years ago) link
that guy does the worst tweets
― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:36 (eleven years ago) link
some weird cameron's top tips shit in that second sentence
Shocking knowledge of South London transport there xxxxp
― The Parvenu Fucktard (onimo), Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:37 (eleven years ago) link
She wants to get a train from Lewisham to Charing Cross really, way quicker than the bus.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:41 (eleven years ago) link
Shoddy treatment of our heroes nonetheless.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:42 (eleven years ago) link
One of the best ways to defeat terrorism is to MAJOR PM STATEMENT ABOUT TERRORISM IMMINENT
― the league against cool sports (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:42 (eleven years ago) link
xp-to-self
I mean, there are new forms that conspiracy theory is taking right now which are so clearly linked to the this-just-in rolling-news model: the ones that see the way news information changes as facts are ascertained as evidence that some authority figure is controlling the story.
the effect that this-just-in news has, which is to say the viewer's feeling that rolling news is a news event happening in real time, conflicts with what is actually happening on this-just-in news, which is that the news gathering is happening in real time. This-just-in news turns the process of newsgathering into the news story-- so of course people's imaginations jump on it and make this news story even more of a story by making it conspiratorial.
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:43 (eleven years ago) link
One of the best ways to defeat terrorism is to go about our normal lives
it's nice to know i'm defeating terrorism 24/7
― ... (LocalGarda), Thursday, 23 May 2013 11:16 (eleven years ago) link
Isnt that broadly correct tbh
― my name is louis and i'm an acoleuthic (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 May 2013 11:29 (eleven years ago) link
Some worried men:http://www.addictmusic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/manic-street-preachers.jpg
― Hearing moyes confirmedare we hearing m (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 23 May 2013 11:30 (eleven years ago) link
what, that working your 9-5 and eating your vegetables won't blow anything up? i reckon so yeah.
― ... (LocalGarda), Thursday, 23 May 2013 11:31 (eleven years ago) link
https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/129730596/2630509441_944a6ee3e2_m.jpg
"One of the best ways to defeat terrorism is to go about our normal lives"
― Random ASMR Memories (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 23 May 2013 11:42 (eleven years ago) link
What if your normal life is being a terroristMakes you think
― kinder, Thursday, 23 May 2013 11:55 (eleven years ago) link
what if your normal life is defeating terrorism?
― ... (LocalGarda), Thursday, 23 May 2013 11:56 (eleven years ago) link
I thought that was Ira Glass, but the glasses are different.
― how's life, Thursday, 23 May 2013 11:58 (eleven years ago) link
Best way of defeating terrorism is probably like arresting terrorists or something? As I was leading my normal life and having a bath last night it seemed like the right thing to do, but on the other hand somehow not enough?
― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:05 (eleven years ago) link
When they do that ilx goes wild too
― my name is louis and i'm an acoleuthic (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:10 (eleven years ago) link
tbh i am just posting this one bcz look at these assholes:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BK8jIe8CUAAARAk.jpg
― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:25 (eleven years ago) link
Nice that Luton Town fans have got something to do during the off-season now though
― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:28 (eleven years ago) link
What's a ballies?
― how's life, Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:29 (eleven years ago) link
balaclava
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:29 (eleven years ago) link
ski mask
RIP Salman Rushdi
― sword of (seandalai), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:33 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.sophistimom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/baklava1.jpg
― how's life, Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:39 (eleven years ago) link
Bally nuances
― my name is louis and i'm an acoleuthic (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:40 (eleven years ago) link
come off it would you, it's obv a dumb soundbyte, and nobody is "going wild".
― ... (LocalGarda), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:41 (eleven years ago) link
it's a bally disgrace
― The Parvenu Fucktard (onimo), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:42 (eleven years ago) link
even darragh's "lol you pathetic liberals support terrorism" trolling feels half-hearted and rote today
― the league against cool sports (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:46 (eleven years ago) link
Its a minimalist approach you ass
― my name is louis and i'm an acoleuthic (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:54 (eleven years ago) link
one thing i've been wondering about is whether gruesome political violence is more objectionable than covert 'civilized' violence (like dropping drones on weddings). it was mostly regarding that syrian rebel who ate the pro-assad soldier's lung (thinking it was his heart) and taped it, but also relevant to this event. these things seem shocking + (apologies for the loaded word in advance) 'barbaric,' but maybe it's no worse than any act of violence. maybe machete'ing a soldier just makes explicit the horror inherent in every act of violence and its just my squeamishness that makes me think it's anything worse.
― Mordy , Thursday, 23 May 2013 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, that might be why they call it 'terror'... (and why it's a bad word and stuff)
― Frederik B, Thursday, 23 May 2013 13:03 (eleven years ago) link
if we're going to draw up a moral scale from acts of calculated murder - i don't know if that has value or not
in a pragmatic sense i am more concerned by state violence i think, to the extent that it reinforces hegemonic power, to the extent that a broader range of options ought to be open to the state in most circumstances, to the extent that it frequently appears to be counterproductive to maintaining the peace and security of citizens, to the extent that it muddies and undermines civil rights in a way that random acts of murder by individuals - however horrific - can't do. because we accept on the whole that the private resort to violence is (emotionally? intellectually?) intolerable but we often tolerate the violence of the state, through propaganda, through distance, through dishonesty
― the league against cool sports (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 May 2013 13:12 (eleven years ago) link