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http://www.simplemobile.com/

乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link

i think we're still kind of in the deployment stages w/4G

Nhex, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link

fwiw I was not trying to defend the US system as being awesome

anyway, population density absolutely impacts Australia because you have most people living in concentrated areas, meaning more efficient use of cell towers, plus you are also talking about a population that is 15 times smaller than the US so it shouldn't be THAT surprising that you can build a cheaper network there

they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:27 (eleven years ago) link

there's also a carrier "lock-in" for people who still actually use their phone to talk, most networks give you free minutes of mobile-to-mobile only if you're on the same network (or you're forced to put certain people on a favorites list)

Nhex, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:27 (eleven years ago) link

yeah... even if this were true:

here's an argument why the problem shouldn't be population density: each town of 10,000 people needs a cell phone tower. you can't serve many towns with a cell phone tower, so assuming the town is not completely off the pre-existing physical grid, how far apart the towns are is irrelevant. to first order, it costs no more per person to serve 100 million people living in towns 100 miles apart than in towns 30 miles apart.

the raw # of cell towers you'd need in america vs. australia would still be by a couple of factors, i think

乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago) link

the day that they sell data-only plans for the iphone will be a great day

乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:29 (eleven years ago) link

caek i think there are a few threads in the macrumors iphone forum talking about cheaper providers like simple talk etc.

probably the service in and around NYC is pretty good

乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link

ok last thing: the population of the us is 15 times bigger so there are 15 times more customers

caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah I just remember this every time what apple should do next gets interpreted solely through the USA, which is such an effin weird telecoms market and as cook was saying just this week well under half and dropping of their revenue. Like Belgium or South Africa or something is probably a more useful country to understand well than the USA if you're trying to figure out apple under Tim cook.

caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:48 (eleven years ago) link

iPhone already available unlocked and no-contract on Virgin Mobile, which rides Sprint's network. Think their plan is ~$35/mo.

0808ɹƃ (silby), Thursday, 23 May 2013 22:36 (eleven years ago) link

anyway, population density absolutely impacts Australia because you have most people living in concentrated areas, meaning more efficient use of cell towers, plus you are also talking about a population that is 15 times smaller than the US so it shouldn't be THAT surprising that you can build a cheaper network there

the biggest factor iirc is getting the network out there in the first place. no problem rigging up a handful of 850 mhz cells through e.g. alice springs and no problem making money there, but linking that to the rest of the network and maintaining acceptable data speeds is costlier per capita in those regions.

indigenous communities are a whole different story though: recently some colleagues went out to wtf creek in the middle of buggery plains and saw first hand how bad landline internet speeds were there, much less any sort of reliable cell network.

the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 23 May 2013 23:59 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-22-2013/tax-men---apple

markers, Friday, 24 May 2013 02:34 (eleven years ago) link

"my point was more that the type of person who wears watches these days is more likely to be the kind of person who does so as a status symbol, not as a utility"

really?? i wear a watch because i need to know the time and i hate pulling my phone out. it's a cheapie digital, and i have three of them because i kept misplacing them, getting a new one, and then finding them.

well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Friday, 24 May 2013 05:53 (eleven years ago) link

500 MB of data a month? I go through a GB every day or so

educate yourself to this reality (sunny successor), Friday, 24 May 2013 14:36 (eleven years ago) link

they should really go old-timey and make a digital watch that looks like a gold Moneybags-style pocket watch with chain but it communicates via bluetooth to your phone, which also has the time on it. do you see, man!

Nhex, Friday, 24 May 2013 14:42 (eleven years ago) link

re the possible usecases of such a watch -not new and i think it got posted already, but it still contains some valid points throughout:
http://kfury.com/what-an-apple-watch-is-good-for

the europan nikon is here (grauschleier), Friday, 24 May 2013 15:16 (eleven years ago) link

What's missing from the discussion of profitability of setting up cell towers is that there are tons of places in the US where a single tower serves far fewer than the "10,000" discussed above. Where my parents used to live in rural Michigan, I had service in a tiny radius, in which there were maybe 30 or 40 houses - 50 absolute tops - it was in the woods - and the roads were very low traffic. But AT&T provided service to that tiny population, and there are many, many more like it.

Je55e, Friday, 24 May 2013 16:51 (eleven years ago) link

isn't there some law on the books mandating access to rural areas? I thought it only applied to landlines though

Philip Nunez, Friday, 24 May 2013 16:54 (eleven years ago) link

i guess it isnt a new thing but its still seems stupid:

http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/wp-content/phoneimages/2007/12/imobile_cellphone_watch.jpg

Are people going to be talking into these things or just poking at them and squinting?

educate yourself to this reality (sunny successor), Friday, 24 May 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago) link

itamagotchiwatch

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 May 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago) link

https://twitter.com/alka_seltzer666/status/338749712595316737

markers, Sunday, 26 May 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link

also tim cook will be at d on . . . tuesday

markers, Sunday, 26 May 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link

http://allthingsd.com/conferences/d/d11/schedule/

markers, Sunday, 26 May 2013 20:24 (eleven years ago) link

had no idea elon musk was gonna be there

markers, Sunday, 26 May 2013 20:24 (eleven years ago) link

when is next apple event

cozen, Sunday, 26 May 2013 21:40 (eleven years ago) link

wwdc. keynote june 10.

caek, Sunday, 26 May 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link

here's a partial preview with spoilers basically: http://9to5mac.com/2013/05/24/jony-ives-new-look-for-ios-7-black-white-and-flat-all-over/

markers, Sunday, 26 May 2013 21:55 (eleven years ago) link

sounds good (and logical), and i don't think anyone on the planet will miss the bulldozed visual junk

the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 26 May 2013 23:53 (eleven years ago) link

it really does look not great

markers, Sunday, 26 May 2013 23:55 (eleven years ago) link

it'll be interesting to see these changes inevitably come to the mac

markers, Sunday, 26 May 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago) link

maybe even with 10.9, but i haven't seen anything about that and it sounds like they're rushed enough with ios

markers, Sunday, 26 May 2013 23:58 (eleven years ago) link

yeah 10.10 maybe

the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 27 May 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

I expect that 10.9 will have a short-hand version of the changes - removal of linen texture, etc. - just enough for the 10.9 press release to legitimately state they're "continuing to bring the iOS and OS X experience together."

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 27 May 2013 00:18 (eleven years ago) link

sounds good (and logical), and i don't think anyone on the planet will miss the bulldozed visual junk

The Eudora email client had the best preference setting: "Waste cycles drawing trendy 3D junk"

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 27 May 2013 00:20 (eleven years ago) link

i will not miss the linen texture

the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 27 May 2013 00:21 (eleven years ago) link

xp oh that's magnificent

the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 27 May 2013 00:21 (eleven years ago) link

All they have to do on Mac is undo the horrors of calendar, notes, contacts and reminders. Everything else is good to go.

stet, Monday, 27 May 2013 00:48 (eleven years ago) link

those os upgrade notifications that you cannot dismiss

the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 27 May 2013 00:52 (eleven years ago) link

new mac pros ever happening or

sleepingbag, Monday, 27 May 2013 00:53 (eleven years ago) link

Uncertain if I should be looking forward to Logic X (assuming that it'll be called that)

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 27 May 2013 01:26 (eleven years ago) link

you hear very little about their professional software these days

markers, Monday, 27 May 2013 02:13 (eleven years ago) link

well, and hardware too lol

markers, Monday, 27 May 2013 02:13 (eleven years ago) link

http://regmedia.co.uk/2011/10/06/grid.jpg

markers, Monday, 27 May 2013 02:14 (eleven years ago) link

there are a hundred people working on the iwatch and probably two on the next mac pro

markers, Monday, 27 May 2013 02:18 (eleven years ago) link

my interest in being someone's friend depends solely on whether or not they can name everyone in the following photo:

http://macintoshuser.up.seesaa.net/image/Gil20Amelio26Steve20Wozniak26Steve20Jobs.jpg

markers, Monday, 27 May 2013 02:23 (eleven years ago) link

steve jobs, regis philbin, steve wozniak

the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 27 May 2013 02:25 (eleven years ago) link

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51X7PWXQJRL._SY300_.jpg

markers, Monday, 27 May 2013 02:26 (eleven years ago) link

Woz famously described the relationship between Jobs and Amelio as

Of the fight between Amelio and Jobs over Apple, Woz said simply: "Gil Amelio meets Steve Jobs, game over."

Jobs' expression at Amelio in that photo is the perfect smirk/glare of contempt.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 27 May 2013 04:32 (eleven years ago) link


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