The idea that someone can be media savvy enough to come over like a TV chef doing a piece to camera before "ok, have to continue chopping up this soldier" or whatever...... is too scary: You cannot tell the mad axeman purely by looking at him.
... is too scary: You cannot tell the mad axeman purely by looking at him.
I agree with the last part, but how is that any scarier than Dzhokhar Tsarnaev? Remember how shocked his friends were? He was normal, outgoing, and yet he must have had a deep detachment from his normal life to do the things he did. I have less difficulty believing someone could do something horrific without immediately reacting, but to plan it and conceal it from people you saw on a daily basis? Much scarier to me.
― gyac, Friday, 24 May 2013 11:45 (eleven years ago) link
It Isn't.
― Mark G, Friday, 24 May 2013 11:48 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry, context:
how is that any scarier than Dzhokhar Tsarnaev?
i don't think it's possible or desirable to censor the availability of information to the general public - obviously governments and other organizations try to do this and sometimes they succeed, to some extent. maybe they succeed more than we realise - we wouldn't know, by definition. so, censorship is probably as close to a Kantian no-no as i'd be willing to go.
Folk Devils and Moral Panics is a really good book iirc and i should probably read it again because it definitely seems v. relevant to the age of everybody's-a-journalist.
The awful horror film (there might be more than one) about the serial killer who kills his victims per hit count on the website showing the killings is awful iirc but might have some relevant points at its heart re: public attention encouraging actions intended to gain public attention. in my opinion, because of the "censoring is bad, mmmmkay?" line i've adopted, this makes our individual degree of attention an act of personal moral responsibility, to some extent at least.
Cap'n State-the-Obvious: the "news agenda" is so far from being an objective reflection of what is happening on a moment-by-moment basis in the world of the mundane (kind of tautological but i know why i want to say it like that, can develop later) that to treat "what's on the news" as being serious business is to be unswervingly credulous or to subscribe to what can only be fairly described as propaganda imo
― the league against cool sports (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2013 11:51 (eleven years ago) link
I think the "we can't let them think that what they're doing is as important as they want us to think it is" approach is potentially just as problematic as overexposure.
As has been said it's 2013 things are going to be visible and often in a way that's unfiltered and raw. A national media response that attempts moderation will reek of infantilisation at best (people lose trust and defer to more extreme/less ethically conscious outlets) and at worst conspiracy (lending the killers an aura of mystique that breeds even more uncertainty and fear).
I don't think withholding media and curtailing the use of imagery is as straightforward, ethical and beneficial as some of you want it to be.
― Studied keyboard mash (tsrobodo), Friday, 24 May 2013 12:29 (eleven years ago) link
if anything the hypertrophy of media shd allow you to create a more personal mediascape that reflects your own concerns and values i think
― the league against cool sports (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2013 12:33 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think the majority of (generally older) people are savvy enough to do that to any meaningful degree.
― Studied keyboard mash (tsrobodo), Friday, 24 May 2013 12:47 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not saying everybody can do it, i'm saying that if you're interested in not passively accepting the standard newsfeed it's more of a possibility than in the past.
― the league against cool sports (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2013 12:59 (eleven years ago) link
also some people of all ages look for comforting confirmation of their world view in media above all else
― the league against cool sports (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2013 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
"Experts" often claim that presenting sensational events, like spree killings, dispassionately and factually would lead to fewer copycat crimes. I wonder whether that is actually tried anywhere.
― хуто-хуторянка (ShariVari), Friday, 24 May 2013 13:09 (eleven years ago) link
it's done with suicides
― caek, Friday, 24 May 2013 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
unless you edit the Daily Mail iirc
― the league against cool sports (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2013 13:50 (eleven years ago) link
secondary reaction has been "of course, the media are totally irresponsible in showing this, you know very well what that public, that public who weren't as clever as me at school or give apples to teacher like i did, you know, you have them too
ah, you were projecting wildly, based upon your prejudices, i get you now. i'll just move along, there's clearly nothing to see here.
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Friday, 24 May 2013 13:52 (eleven years ago) link
I was hardly the first to start projecting, either itt or btwn just the two of us
I believe i did you the courtesy of replying at least in part to the substance of your posts as opposed to smug dismissal once you started your projection, but look i have no prob with my ukilx ppl go in peace you know you're right and shouldnt let the likes of me bother you xxx
― my name is louis and i'm an acoleuthic (darraghmac), Friday, 24 May 2013 13:59 (eleven years ago) link
Let my UKILX people go
― Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Friday, 24 May 2013 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
let us remain ships that pass in the night on such matters then dmac, i shall continue to enjoy yr contributions to other threads and yr wit and try not to trouble you with the apples i gave teacher and other such unforgivable cliches crimes
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Friday, 24 May 2013 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
It is fair to say that i dont overtrouble uk politics threads with glorious content ;_; but it's where all the posters i like do be on quiet days
― my name is louis and i'm an acoleuthic (darraghmac), Friday, 24 May 2013 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
UKILXP's Nigel FAPage
Just wanted to say that
― Pasty, British & Shit (wins), Friday, 24 May 2013 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/24/us-britain-pakistan-jet-idUSBRE94N0HI20130524
― Mordy , Friday, 24 May 2013 14:59 (eleven years ago) link
deems dont pussy out now
― there is no special cat hexis with mini fried donuts (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 24 May 2013 15:01 (eleven years ago) link
― Pasty, British & Shit
Feeling unnerved by this parody dn
― Hearing moyes confirmedare we hearing m (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 24 May 2013 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
Lol i just clocked out on hols tbrr
― my name is louis and i'm an acoleuthic (darraghmac), Friday, 24 May 2013 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
alright valid excuse this time
― there is no special cat hexis with mini fried donuts (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 24 May 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
i want to know what nilmar thinks about this unfortunate event
― Mordy , Friday, 24 May 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
xps, fwiw something like 75% of arrests for "endangering an aircraft" relate to people smoking in the toilets and getting aggro about being told to stop". Sounds like this current incident might be something similar.
― хуто-хуторянка (ShariVari), Friday, 24 May 2013 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
Daytrips to granada and other moorish sites planned btw
― my name is louis and i'm an acoleuthic (darraghmac), Friday, 24 May 2013 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
don't forget you are visiting al andalus, former home to the great works of the caliphate in the realms of astronomy, architecture and toleration and latterly reclaimed by the castillian defence league in a crudely volkish display of islamophobia
― there is no special cat hexis with mini fried donuts (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 24 May 2013 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
Castillian Defence League = El Sid?
― the league against cool sports (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2013 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
― Hearing moyes confirmedare we hearing m (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, May 24, 2013 4:02 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's a self-zing I would hope that'd be clear
― Pasty, British & Shit (wins), Friday, 24 May 2013 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/24/woolwich-adebowale-witnessed-murder-knife
http://www.murdermap.co.uk/pages/cases/case.asp?CID=921754505&VID=128
― Category:Comedy rappers by nationality (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Saturday, 25 May 2013 00:36 (eleven years ago) link
darkass fuckinn youtube vatican shadow hauntology shit -- ghosts of erith spectral presence of dead teenage rudeboy slaughtered in crackhouse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5weGvRJTDs
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/1950484.0/
― Category:Comedy rappers by nationality (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Saturday, 25 May 2013 00:55 (eleven years ago) link
that can't be right, a savage murder like that would be all over the rolling news
― the league against cool sports (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 May 2013 01:00 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it's a mystery why a remedial getting killed in crackhouse didn't get the same coverage as the execution of a soldier on a highstreet
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Saturday, 25 May 2013 01:06 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHvl-hffN1Q
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Saturday, 25 May 2013 01:10 (eleven years ago) link
About to go str8 thru the crimezone on a bus
― OH NO, SECONDS LEFT, SECONDS LEFT, AND THERE IT IS. REGRET. (imago), Saturday, 25 May 2013 11:22 (eleven years ago) link
God that's a lot of flowers
― OH NO, SECONDS LEFT, SECONDS LEFT, AND THERE IT IS. REGRET. (imago), Saturday, 25 May 2013 11:23 (eleven years ago) link
took some pics. feelin' *emotional*
― OH NO, SECONDS LEFT, SECONDS LEFT, AND THERE IT IS. REGRET. (imago), Saturday, 25 May 2013 11:24 (eleven years ago) link
secondary response has also had an element of 'something something tories' and jumping at rolling news using terms like 'muslim terror attack' for what could probably now (and probably pretty much straight away using the information) be fairly enough described as a terrorist (still discussing this term itt tbf) attack as a result of the assailants extremist muslim beliefs (which, again, pre-emptively, i agreearen't in any way fairly representative of broader islam any more than IRA attacks were representative of irishness)
Right but even in the eighties there weren't headlines about 'Irish Terror Attack!' - and this was a time when it would've been more plausible to claim that the Irish Constitution encouraged and authorised it. Not to say of course that there wasn't locking people up for the wrong accent etc - how'y're there the West Midland Serious Crime Squad, hope you're toasty in hell by now)
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 25 May 2013 12:46 (eleven years ago) link
Was the term 'muslim terror attack' actually used? Because it seems unlikely any serious paper would go there; maybe the Express letting the mask slip maybe.
― Ismael Klata, Saturday, 25 May 2013 12:51 (eleven years ago) link
Unlikely
― Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 May 2013 12:52 (eleven years ago) link
No, the assailants were said to be in 'Muslim dress'. They weren't.
― on the sidelines dishing out sass (suzy), Saturday, 25 May 2013 14:45 (eleven years ago) link
By Nick "Baldy Tory Twat" Robinson
― Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 May 2013 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
Or as I call him, Cheshire twat.
― on the sidelines dishing out sass (suzy), Saturday, 25 May 2013 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
Ah, I knew someone had used the 'T' word to describe him on this thread
― Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 May 2013 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
Take your pick of offensive T words, of course - Tory or twat
― Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 May 2013 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
that is such a retarded thing to get hung up about
― ghosts of erith spectral crackhouse slain rudeboy (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Saturday, 25 May 2013 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
it would be consequential if it transpired that they weren't jihadists
― ghosts of erith spectral crackhouse slain rudeboy (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Saturday, 25 May 2013 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331202/Pictured-Man-20s-stabbed-metres-soldier-Lee-Rigby-murdered-Woolwich.html
so the murder scene now looks somewhere between kensington palace gardens in 1997 and an england football international
― ghosts of erith spectral crackhouse slain rudeboy (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Sunday, 26 May 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
also totally necessary and not remotely invasive photographs of the grieving family
― ghosts of erith spectral crackhouse slain rudeboy (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Sunday, 26 May 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
Got to arm the citizens, Police are next to useless with events like these.....they can only arrive AFTER the event, just like the Cavalry.....now, if just ONE of those UK citizens ere legally armed........bam.......Lee Rigby might be alive today............
- kerriskandiesinc , Coram, 26/5/2013 18:51
i need to stop clicking on DM links.
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Sunday, 26 May 2013 19:16 (eleven years ago) link