This Just In: Rolling UK News Thread

i don't think it's possible or desirable to censor the availability of information to the general public - obviously governments and other organizations try to do this and sometimes they succeed, to some extent. maybe they succeed more than we realise - we wouldn't know, by definition. so, censorship is probably as close to a Kantian no-no as i'd be willing to go.

Folk Devils and Moral Panics is a really good book iirc and i should probably read it again because it definitely seems v. relevant to the age of everybody's-a-journalist.

The awful horror film (there might be more than one) about the serial killer who kills his victims per hit count on the website showing the killings is awful iirc but might have some relevant points at its heart re: public attention encouraging actions intended to gain public attention. in my opinion, because of the "censoring is bad, mmmmkay?" line i've adopted, this makes our individual degree of attention an act of personal moral responsibility, to some extent at least.

Cap'n State-the-Obvious: the "news agenda" is so far from being an objective reflection of what is happening on a moment-by-moment basis in the world of the mundane (kind of tautological but i know why i want to say it like that, can develop later) that to treat "what's on the news" as being serious business is to be unswervingly credulous or to subscribe to what can only be fairly described as propaganda imo

I think the "we can't let them think that what they're doing is as important as they want us to think it is" approach is potentially just as problematic as overexposure.

As has been said it's 2013 things are going to be visible and often in a way that's unfiltered and raw. A national media response that attempts moderation will reek of infantilisation at best (people lose trust and defer to more extreme/less ethically conscious outlets) and at worst conspiracy (lending the killers an aura of mystique that breeds even more uncertainty and fear).

I don't think withholding media and curtailing the use of imagery is as straightforward, ethical and beneficial as some of you want it to be.

if anything the hypertrophy of media shd allow you to create a more personal mediascape that reflects your own concerns and values i think

I don't think the majority of (generally older) people are savvy enough to do that to any meaningful degree.

i'm not saying everybody can do it, i'm saying that if you're interested in not passively accepting the standard newsfeed it's more of a possibility than in the past.

also some people of all ages look for comforting confirmation of their world view in media above all else

"Experts" often claim that presenting sensational events, like spree killings, dispassionately and factually would lead to fewer copycat crimes. I wonder whether that is actually tried anywhere.

it's done with suicides

unless you edit the Daily Mail iirc

secondary reaction has been "of course, the media are totally irresponsible in showing this, you know very well what that public, that public who weren't as clever as me at school or give apples to teacher like i did, you know, you have them too

ah, you were projecting wildly, based upon your prejudices, i get you now. i'll just move along, there's clearly nothing to see here.

I was hardly the first to start projecting, either itt or btwn just the two of us

I believe i did you the courtesy of replying at least in part to the substance of your posts as opposed to smug dismissal once you started your projection, but look i have no prob with my ukilx ppl go in peace you know you're right and shouldnt let the likes of me bother you xxx

Let my UKILX people go

let us remain ships that pass in the night on such matters then dmac, i shall continue to enjoy yr contributions to other threads and yr wit and try not to trouble you with the apples i gave teacher and other such unforgivable cliches crimes

It is fair to say that i dont overtrouble uk politics threads with glorious content ;_; but it's where all the posters i like do be on quiet days

UKILXP's Nigel FAPage

Just wanted to say that

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/24/us-britain-pakistan-jet-idUSBRE94N0HI20130524

deems dont pussy out now

― Pasty, British & Shit

Feeling unnerved by this parody dn

Lol i just clocked out on hols tbrr

alright valid excuse this time

i want to know what nilmar thinks about this unfortunate event

xps, fwiw something like 75% of arrests for "endangering an aircraft" relate to people smoking in the toilets and getting aggro about being told to stop". Sounds like this current incident might be something similar.

Daytrips to granada and other moorish sites planned btw

don't forget you are visiting al andalus, former home to the great works of the caliphate in the realms of astronomy, architecture and toleration and latterly reclaimed by the castillian defence league in a crudely volkish display of islamophobia

Castillian Defence League = El Sid?

― Pasty, British & Shit

Feeling unnerved by this parody dn

― Hearing moyes confirmedare we hearing m (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, May 24, 2013 4:02 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's a self-zing I would hope that'd be clear

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/24/woolwich-adebowale-witnessed-murder-knife

http://www.murdermap.co.uk/pages/cases/case.asp?CID=921754505&VID=128

darkass fuckinn youtube vatican shadow hauntology shit -- ghosts of erith spectral presence of dead teenage rudeboy slaughtered in crackhouse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5weGvRJTDs

http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/1950484.0/

that can't be right, a savage murder like that would be all over the rolling news

yeah it's a mystery why a remedial getting killed in crackhouse didn't get the same coverage as the execution of a soldier on a highstreet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHvl-hffN1Q

About to go str8 thru the crimezone on a bus

God that's a lot of flowers

took some pics. feelin' *emotional*

secondary response has also had an element of 'something something tories' and jumping at rolling news using terms like 'muslim terror attack' for what could probably now (and probably pretty much straight away using the information) be fairly enough described as a terrorist (still discussing this term itt tbf) attack as a result of the assailants extremist muslim beliefs (which, again, pre-emptively, i agreearen't in any way fairly representative of broader islam any more than IRA attacks were representative of irishness)

Right but even in the eighties there weren't headlines about 'Irish Terror Attack!' - and this was a time when it would've been more plausible to claim that the Irish Constitution encouraged and authorised it. Not to say of course that there wasn't locking people up for the wrong accent etc - how'y're there the West Midland Serious Crime Squad, hope you're toasty in hell by now)

Was the term 'muslim terror attack' actually used? Because it seems unlikely any serious paper would go there; maybe the Express letting the mask slip maybe.

Unlikely

No, the assailants were said to be in 'Muslim dress'. They weren't.

By Nick "Baldy Tory Twat" Robinson

Or as I call him, Cheshire twat.

Ah, I knew someone had used the 'T' word to describe him on this thread

Take your pick of offensive T words, of course - Tory or twat

that is such a retarded thing to get hung up about

it would be consequential if it transpired that they weren't jihadists

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331202/Pictured-Man-20s-stabbed-metres-soldier-Lee-Rigby-murdered-Woolwich.html

so the murder scene now looks somewhere between kensington palace gardens in 1997 and an england football international

also totally necessary and not remotely invasive photographs of the grieving family

Got to arm the citizens, Police are next to useless with events like these.....they can only arrive AFTER the event, just like the Cavalry.....now, if just ONE of those UK citizens ere legally armed........bam.......Lee Rigby might be alive today............

- kerriskandiesinc , Coram, 26/5/2013 18:51

i need to stop clicking on DM links.

Saw about 150 flag-draped thugs marching through Soho this afternoon. Probably wouldn't have been my first choice of places to look for religious extremists, tbh.

seemingly some mish-mash skirmishes going on across EDL, anti-fascist protesters and police, quite difficult to work out the details from scattered twitter reports though.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/27/edl-protesters-blame-islam-woolwich-attack