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― iatee, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
isn't is spelled "gall"? </elitistANDpedantic>
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
serious newspaper reporters could have knocked on doors in etobicoke trying to raise $200,000
― iatee, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
ha ha!
i actually like to hang out with elitist from southern france. i have lots of Gauls i chill with.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
If reporters had pre-existing relations with sources in the neighborhood, then they would have been more likely to get a better response, no? It's like reporting everywhere, you build up a network and keep a finger on the pulse. Noone does that in poor neighborhoods anymore, and the reporting in this case is a result. And I know this because I've seen The Wire. Seriously, they didn't even know who Prop Joe was!
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
nobody does this in any neighborhoods because its 2013
― iatee, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 14:45 (eleven years ago) link
So who will be first on the air with "The Fords"? David Simon, David Chase or David Milch?
(Starring Philip Seymour Hoffman, obviously.)
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
Well, Aaron Sorkin sort of. They break the story because someone in the room knew that murdered guy from somewhere.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
But most of the focus is on how wrong it is to call newspeople 'maggots', since they are doing a really important job and are actually really nice people.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
Guys this is Patch.com's job now.
― Mordy , Wednesday, 29 May 2013 14:58 (eleven years ago) link
what I learned from the Wire is that reporters just make up stories to win awards. Especially elitist white reporters. That and you evacuate a building, not the people in it. Unless that's, like, your thing.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
I think The Star and The Globe are elitist only in the sense that they are much more comfortable with, much more interested in, and much better at reporting on the city's elites. I think Rob and Doug Ford know this - and they leverage it and spin it and shape it to their advantage, by painting themselves as the little guys sticking it to the man.
Kind of surprised to hear some people thinking knocking on doors and old school reporting is such a punchline or outdated idea. Did the list of questions I posted earlier seem unreasonable or irrelevant? I'm not being snarky or sarcastic at all here - just curious. I actually think we'll see more stories on what exactly went down with Price possibly trying to get the tape in the next few days.
― brio, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
the Globe and Mail (which, smugly, has "globe" in the name) – has a more international focus. If they were busying themselves with the non-elitists of Etobicoke, they would be the "Rexdale and Mail" or the "Etobicoke Town Crier" or something.
The Toronto Star, conversely, is CONSTANTLY running pieces on the plights of the regular people of Toronto. Articles I usually, as a loathsome elitist, skip. They have one regular column "the fixer", for example (http://www.thestar.com/yourtoronto/the_fixer.html) - where they help out citizens who are encountering difficulty navigating the elitist bureaucracy of city hall. I'm not aware of the Sun helping out anyone who isn't connected in conservative circles (Rob Ford and Tim Hudak being two of their favourites) (maybe not Ford so much now that the winds have changed direction tho).
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think knocking on doors/old school reporting is a punchline in and of itself. I do think that when you ignore one instance of extensive door-knocking that resulted in the story about the Ford family's alleged history of drug dealing as part of the larger context around this scandal and hold up as an example to follow a complete and total non-story that seems to only exist in order to make a grab for page views from people looking for more information about this tape, you are setting yourself up to be clowned. I also think that the lack of stories answering the questions you posed does not automatically mean no one is trying to answer them.
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
OK I see where you're coming from - first, I didn't mean to hold up the Sun non-story as an example of anything but "This is the first time I've seen any quotes from inside this building or around, and we're weeks into the story."
The Doug Ford story: a) the Globe sat on it for 18 months. b) they didn't get all that much.
Agree that people are probably trying to answer the questions I posed - but I think it's fair to point out there hasn't been much published reporting on those angles by now. I hope
― brio, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
I hope we will see more on those angles, it does seem to me like the natural place to dig now.
― brio, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
maybe toronto reporters just suck at their jobs
― iatee, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
like, they're trying really hard, they're just bad
― iatee, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
there probably aren't enough of them. most ppl who want to earn a living are not going into journalism in 2013.
― Mordy , Wednesday, 29 May 2013 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
everything about this story is so amazing as to stretch credulity. if someone told me that the mayor smokes crack, and allowed himself to be recorded doing it, i don't think i'd follow up either
― goole, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
diminished resources is definitely a fair point - but there are 4 dailies and 3 national broadcasters (as an elitist, I'm not counting Sun News Network) based in Toronto.
― brio, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
xp: anyone who is a public official who is out in a crack house is already showing poor judgment; I wouldn't expect those skills to get better after a few crack hits
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
― iatee, Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:45 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you know this is not correct right
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
like i can name 3 dc reporters offhand who i know make it a practice to cultivate neighborhood sources we don't all live in your futurephone new york town
god the way you people live
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
let's be clear, iatee is an island unto himself
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:09 (eleven years ago) link
no man is an iatee
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
pretty great maclean's cover https://twitter.com/reporterdonpeat/status/339804256955662336/photo/1
― brio, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
the only reporters I know do all their reporting via google glass
― iatee, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
reporting live from u face
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
The Doug Ford story: a) the Globe sat on it for 18 months.
they researched it for 18 months. it's not like they found the story talked to everyone, and did nothing for a year and a half. they worked on it for a very long time. they also claimed they were still working on it before they decided to run with it when other events compelled them to do so. you also claimed they only talked to a handful of junkies, which also is not the case. i have no idea why you're hell bent on bashing the job the Globe did here - it was clearly a lot of hard work.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not hellbent on anything, and I'm not bashing it - it just seems like a thin story to me, and one Doug can plausibly deny, as he has. I think he's lying - but they have no named sources and it's 30 years old. It plays right into the Ford's narrative about what Doug calls "uncollaborated" (sic) stories, and a media vendetta. It's also been folklore for a long time - I'd heard the rumours of high school drug dealing as had others here - so it would have been nice if they'd been able to bring something more to it.
Thermo, I'm not sure why I'm pissing you off - it's nothing personal, just shooting the shit about the Ford coverage. We can disagree.
― brio, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not pissed off here. just disagreeing with pretty much every point you're making.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
OK!
― brio, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
man why don't you two hash it out over a rock?
― unfinest DN (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
or rock out with some hash
― dmr, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
I'm down for whatever, 2nd option more my speed.
― brio, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
speed would be my preference.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
let's hit Mimico and see what happens
― brio, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
downtown speed only!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
when i saw that everyone was piling up on brio i assumed he had said something stupid but u all are looking like huge idiots rn
― flopson, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
hey now, we just chilled things out and were looking for some speed
― brio, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
heh sorry i was still reading the thread when i posted that... ftr i hope you are wrong cause i don't wanna pay dylan 100 bucks
― flopson, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
the latest:http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/05/29/rob_ford_former_staffers_email_telephone_records_ordered_destroyed_sources.html
― brio, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
Officials in the information technology department at the City of Toronto are required to maintain the computers and ensure that information — which is all subject to freedom of information requests — is preserved.
come on, IT guys, leak it all
― brio, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
City of Toronto IT department leaks 50 new videos of Rob Ford falling over and/or running into things
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
Thermo and brio: don't forget that first and foremost we're all Torontonians, united by our love of crack. Forming a united front is the only way we'll be able to buy and consume lots of the high-quality crack we love.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
If all this turns out to be true, Ford should get an award for World's Portliest Crackhead.
― Huston we got chicken lol (Phil D.), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
Often credits David Crosby, the World's Portliest Cokehead, as an early inspiration.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
rip Farley
― The End**^ (Eazy), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 22:28 (eleven years ago) link