New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

Just thunderbolt. Apparently there's thunderbolt PCIe enclosures, so that covers that.

Any word yet on which features will make it to the iPhone 4?

http://gizmodo.com/all-the-new-ios-features-your-old-iphone-wont-get-512359950

looks like airdrop, mainly, as well as the siri/camera stuff that doesn't work already

sort of rmde at Apple making the Mac Pro a design statement. JFC, just give me a simple box desktop that I can add cheap, fast storage to and run OS X.

Not regretting a switch to Android via HTC One vs. iPhone 4s I had.

agreeing with the people on twitter who are eh about the icons

xp you don't want something quieter or cooler?

i can see the argument that it's not worth the marginal cost or whatever

that's a misuse of the term, i know

yeah the wieldiness of this thing vs. the complete unwieldiness of box pcs is hugely appealing to me

https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/status/344187253955907584

it's tiny!
--the late great

BLACK MINILITH

i think i meant marginal return

i would be interested to hear what some engineers think of cooling from the centre vs cooling down a flat plane

I'd like something quieter and cooler, sure. But I'll settle for noisy and boring if I can have an affordable desktop with 8TB of perfectly fast storage for ~$320 and a desktop GPU to aid Lightroom/PS.

so so tiny, yes. i expect i could actually lift one without doing my back in.

how much do you think this thing will cost?

2k maybe. who knows

not "~$320"

to clarify, storage for $320 - 4 x 2GB WD Green drives @ $80 apiece.
vs. USB 3 enclosures and all those hassles or paying for Thunderbolt

yeah price of thunderbolt is kinda nuts.

but i have all of my photos, films and music on external storage so i am willing to pay, even though that means i'm stuck with 2tb for now

just out of curiosity what do you think is a comparable affordable PC milo?

Absolutely comparable or good enough?

A good desktop doesn't have to be 12+ cores or anything like that. There are a ton of Core i7 desktops that slot in between iMac/Mac Mini-quality and this Mac Pro, for $900-1200.

It's been the complaint about Apple forever, of course, but the way they've gone with the Mac Pro and the 27" iMac and the laptop line just highlights their complete disdain for that desktop market.
More of a problem now because so many of the laptops they sell cap out at 256GB of HD space and you've got to pay mad dollars for more.

It's been the complaint about Apple forever, of course

^^

all I want is to be able to open playlists in their own windows in iTunes again. That's all.

It's not free, but this might help: http://dougscripts.com/apps/playlistassistapp.php

iWork on iCloud is actually pretty nice. That guy's presentation really didn't go down as well as it should've, probably because everyone was wondering wth they were doing this if we aren't going to get the APIs ourselves

"That guy's presentation really didn't go down as well as it should've"

he kept having to remind people 'this is in a browser, COME ON'

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looooooooool

so funny

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w309/huggie74/CokeCanRadio.jpg

there's no significant market (relative to the other businesses apple is in) for the mid-level desktop you're describing, milo. of course there's even less demand for the mac pro but obviously that's not why they make it.

markers' $2k guess feels optimistic to me

they start at 2.5 now

there's no significant market (relative to the other businesses apple is in) for the mid-level desktop you're describing, milo. of course there's even less demand for the mac pro but obviously that's not why they make it.

― caek, Monday, June 10, 2013 6:11 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

right, I would assume it's partly about flagship product coveted by People Who Matter in Creative Industries, which in turn is supposed to create some kind of brand-wide cascade effect.

yeah they're not a mac pro in the post-pc era to make money. they're doing it for prestige, to attract/retain pros who the consumer market follows, and perhaps most importantly, to drive uptake of thunderbolt, which is not an intrinsically expensive technology, just one suffering from poor economies of scale.

"not doing a mac pro", that should be

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looooooooool

― the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Monday, June 10, 2013 11:01 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol at this post btw. never change.

I'm not sure that Pros are going to be attracted to the Pro because it looks cool. Lots of "who gives a fuck, it just sits under my desk" comments, people pointing out that it depends on inferior graphics cards and no desire to chain together all the necessary externals via Thunderbolt.

A Pro buyer can get a lot of use out of one because of expansions and upgrades prolonging life, neither of which is offered with this $2500+ computer.

Apple making money hand over fist and can afford to not care doesn't mean the mid-tier desktop market isn't significant. There's still a ton of money made in that world.

they've always made a powermac/mac pro. it's always had the desired effect. this is a continuation of that. sorry it's not the computer you want to buy.

the release notes for the ios 7 beta are chock-full of some pretty hairy bugs. Idiots who install it on their only phone gonna be bitching on macrumors in 3, 2, 1...

markers' $2k guess feels optimistic to me

― caek, Monday, June 10, 2013 6:12 PM

https://twitter.com/siracusa/status/344183913448624128

xp - This has more in common with the Cube or a super Mini than prior PowerMac/Mac Pros, though.

I don't expect Apple to suddenly reverse course from the last ten years and offer a decent affordable desktop. You can't make that attractive enough.
But this Mac Pro isn't even, IMO, a particularly good computer as the Mac Pro line has gone. It's just pretty. That's the only thing it has going for it - and that's going to be undermined by all the aftermarket RAID enclosures and wires that users are going to need.

yeah, that form factor is not very attractive if I have to have a separate external box to fill with drives. and it seems to small to put on the floor but I don't really have space for it on my desk. plus you can't pile things on top of it, etc. kind of gimmicky and weird imo. A big rugged aluminum box is pretty much the ultimate pro form factor and they're never going to top that.

idg why the ipad 3 is not getting air drop

xp i mean if your argument is that this isn't like the old mac pro then fine.

but you didn't like the old mac pro either?

iOS7 looks pretty cool though. Looks like Ive finally got free reign to make it all Braun-ed out.

Apps that don't get updated are going to look ass-tastic, mind. Zing looks really shoddy with no changes, even where it just uses all-standard system widgets

bugger

Don't worry. Everyone's gonna start making thunderbolt drives and expansion bays in different colors that are all cylinders of different heights so you can put them next to each other and have like a little futuristic cityscape.

To be fair, I don't see as many desktop towers filled with drives these days - most high-end setups I see have external disk arrays, NAS, etc.

Curious to see if there will even be a Mac Pro configuration with an old-fashioned spinning HD.

xp - I owned the last G5 Mac Pro, thought it was great - unfortunately, I bought it the generation before the Intel switch. Before that I owned a Quicksilver G4. Had a 2009 iMac that I recently sold - 2TB was getting too small, there were no Thunderbolt or USB3 connections and getting a similar iMac today would be $2500ish.

My main computer is now a Windows 7 desktop I pieced together cheap - recent i7, 12GB RAM, 64GB SSD and 6 GB of drives. Runs fine, though far less elegantly than OS X. When I have more money, I'll probably work on buying the parts for a solid Hackintosh build.

For photography hobbyists, a Mac strong point, DSLR file sizes are getting bigger and bigger. SSDs are too expensive for external photo storage, and with external hard drives, you've got to keep your library on the external drive and wait for it to spin up (small but annoying) every time you need to access your photos.