what the world was waiting for
― Bathory Tub Blues (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
She lost her virginity upon being date raped. She was almost burned alive at a rave, and later developed a coke habit of her own which she went to rehab for, then was stalked and almost killed by her roommate. Kelly became unexpectedly pregnant before having a miscarriage and told she may never carry a child to term. She was shot during a drive-by shooting at LAX and suffered amnesia. She was raped in an alley and later shot the rapist, with the police clearing her on grounds of self-defense.
― mizzell, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
Steve Sanders is almost 50!?!?
― tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 02:56 (eleven years ago) link
Oy
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 03:25 (eleven years ago) link
"We had shirtlessness on 90210"GASPChippendales? More like Dudes Gone Lame
― educate yourself to this reality (sunny successor), Friday, 14 June 2013 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
btw I have a very clear memory of every kelly scene in mizzells post.
― educate yourself to this reality (sunny successor), Friday, 14 June 2013 15:09 (eleven years ago) link
which Joyce Carol Oates story is this?
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 June 2013 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
I am enjoying rewatching this show as a kind of inversion of Twin Peaks (the only other non-sitcom show about teens on TV at the time), it's so goddamn ridiculous
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 July 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link
It hews closely to realism for the first three seasons. It turns into a Melrose Place knockoff after 1993.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 July 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link
idk if knockoff is really the right term there
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 July 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link
MP was a 92010 spinoff, then outdid in the Dynasty claptrap. 90210 had to compete.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 July 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link
90210 is also pretty much a "trauma/issue of the week" show right from the beginning - Dylan's in AA, Kelly gets raped, Brandon gets drunk for the first time and crashes a car, Brandon has to talk a classmate out of killing himself, Brenda has a pregnancy scare etc etc. melodrama was it's core modus operandi.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 July 2017 20:01 (six years ago) link
oh no doubt but it took a few years for Kelly's lesbian paramour to burn down her house.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 July 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
haha lookin forward to that. also Dylan's gangster hitman plot, which I had totally forgotten about
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 July 2017 20:08 (six years ago) link
there's so much
Valerie is the best thing that ever happened to this show besides maybe baby Brenda or Dylan-stealing Kelly
or Tori's acting when she gets pushed down the stairs
― surm, Thursday, 20 July 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
last night I annoyed my wife w an extended comparison between "let Donna Martin graduate" partisans and Trump voters
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 July 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
BHHAHHAHAHA
― surm, Thursday, 20 July 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link
I can see Alfred's point that past season 3 or so the unlikely scenarios and "everybody gets a trauma!" plotting begin to pile-up to ridiculous degrees. Like, Brenda having a pregnancy scare (however contrived and telegraphed) in season 1 is not really outside the bounds of normal teenage experience, as opposed to being caught in the middle of a mob war with exploding boats and shit.
does anyone ever get amnesia on this show? or come back from the dead? (pretty sure both things happened on Melrose Place iirc)
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 July 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
the Brenda pregnancy scare was persuasive, actually. That's the summer when the show took off.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 July 2017 22:39 (six years ago) link
omg in S2 ep 4 Kelly is complaining about David's dad dating her mother and she says... "it's like something out of a David Lynch movie"
zeitgeisty!
― Οὖτις, Monday, 24 July 2017 16:03 (six years ago) link
Mel is so gross with that mullet.
"I can't keep my hands off women."
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 July 2017 16:05 (six years ago) link
huh so we got to the "Brandon dates a racist" arc in season 3 and I was actually kind of struck by how well it was handled/depicted (in contrast to the S1 "Brandon meets a black neighbor" episode). His girlfriend drops a number of snide comments - no n-words or overt slurs but plenty of subtle shade-throwing at Brandon's black boss, homeless people, etc. The last straw for Brandon is (of course) when she says some snarky anti-semitic shit about Andrea behind her back. Brandon actually references the Rodney King riots (and not even for the first time!), calls himself "a liberal kind of person", and, after initially trying to say he's willing to set aside their political differences, tells her to get lost and that it doesn't matter how well they get along, how attracted they are to each other. I had totally forgotten this storyline, was kind of surprising that it wasn't as super-clumsy as some of the other contemporary references.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 August 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
you fuck with the Zuckerman, you fuck with Brandon
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 August 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link
however there will under no circumstances be a Brandon fucking a Zuckerman
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 August 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link
don't fuck a Zuck
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 August 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link
episode also featured the debut of David Silver's musical career, which is so awesomely painful to witness
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 August 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link
AH-ndrea Zuckerman.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 August 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link
Season 4 and everyone's in college, cast expands, and the writing really starts to devolve into separate who-is-getting-down-with-who storylines that don't have much to do with each other. There isn't even a central storyline for each episode, just this v soap-opera-ish devotion of equal time to everybody's dumbshit storylines.
Still entertaining for the general tone deafness of it all, the clumsy cultural signifiers, the occasional random guest star ("oh hey that guy shows up on Mad Men"), and the intermittent "issue" episodes (Take Back the Night! Are Sororities Really Anti-Semitic? etc.)
Also a huge chunk of the male cast is devoted to predatory sexual behavior (glaring exceptions being David and Brandon), I'm not entirely sure it's intentional but it sure is fucking creepy.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 September 2017 21:47 (six years ago) link
Dylan is still a reliably hilarious character - a selfish, entitled, aimless millionaire committed to a one-dimensional "literary rebel" persona (he likes Rimbaud AND Kerouac!)
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 September 2017 21:48 (six years ago) link
and Brandon found a volume of Byron in his back seat!
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 September 2017 21:51 (six years ago) link
Dylan was reading Byron in third grade before it was "cool" iirc
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 September 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link
Things Dylan did prior to the start of the show:- had a drinking problem/joined AA- raced cars- rode horses- had lots of sex- hung out with mobsters
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 September 2017 22:08 (six years ago) link
y'know, average teenage millionaire stuff
Ugh, so many boat anchor plots dragging down season 4 - anything with Emily Valentine, Brenda getting all woke.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 10 September 2017 10:36 (six years ago) link
I have opinions about this "Take Back the Night" episode in season 4.
The show is generally hit-or-miss when it comes to acknowledging contemporary issues but man did this one really irritate me with its reactionary framing. Steve has a one-night stand at the frat house with some walk-on freshman character who subsequently pesters him/follows him around thinking their fling meant something, and then when she is rebuffed she finds herself swept up in the rhetoric about sexual assault and accuses Steve of being a rapist. The whole way this plot is set up is so awful - it ostensibly introduces the political rhetoric and POV of sexual assault victims, but places them in the mouths of characters that the viewers will inherently find untrustworthy (the freshman, the opportunistic black Student Senate leader who previously gave Brendan crap for not being committed enough, etc.). The whole episode hinges on Kelly at first taking the freshman's side but then refusing to believe her when she finds out the sexual predator in question is Steve, who "couldn't possibly be a rapist". Combined with the show's repeated instances of portraying various male leads' sexually aggressive behavior as harmless, romantic, comedic, etc. it reinforces this dynamic of guys being excused for casual misogyny, stalking, emotional abuse.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 11 September 2017 17:49 (six years ago) link
dude it's Steve
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 September 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
I know I know
― Οὖτις, Monday, 11 September 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Friday, September 8, 2017 5:48 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
but cmon he is so dreamy
― marcos, Monday, 11 September 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FDSPw8tgB4X8LS%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1
― Οὖτις, Monday, 11 September 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
knee deep in season 4 and I may have hit my limit early with the most egregiously awful episode to-date, the episode where Brenda finds a teenage girl's diary from the 60s. The entire episode consists of Brenda imagining the gang acting out the events in the diary, complete with bad wigs, cringeworthy dialogue (it feels like every other line is a period-appropriate song title/lyric reference), and the laziest plotting imaginable.
I was planning on watching up through the episode where Donna gets pushed down the stairs by her abusive rocker boyfriend but this may have been a bridge to far.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
it's clearly a filler episode but nothing is really played for laughs and the boomer 60s shit is cliched beyond belief. on the plus side, Brendan plays the gung ho ROTC recruit (in Robert McNamara drag) that signs up for Vietnam duty and promptly gets killed.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link
season has rebounded with "Steve outs a gay guy at the frat" episode
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
the rocker boyfriend (the dude from The Heights!) is later, no? It's when Valerie enters the Walsh household.
Shakey, I like to imagine you at work watching these. Your boss knocks on your door, you say, "In a minute, chief."
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:35 (six years ago) link
yeah the rocker dude is way later, like season 7 or something
I am not watching these at work! lol
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link
Spielberg sucks, huh?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 00:05 (six years ago) link
Mostly
― Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 00:42 (six years ago) link
i have a new appreciation of your idea of what's worth (re)watching
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 00:44 (six years ago) link
Campy distractions have their virtues
― Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 01:44 (six years ago) link
Spielberg does suck but Shakey couldn't have picked a worse context to make the stand in
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 29 September 2017 01:49 (six years ago) link
Imagine, rewatching all any of Bev 90210 in 2017 and not at least starting a podcast and patreon to justify it
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 29 September 2017 01:51 (six years ago) link