is Kathryn Bigelow at work on the NSA spin yet?
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 June 2013 15:17 (ten years ago) link
one time (and now again?) far-right blogger goes there:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42124_Images-_Edward_Snowden_Modeling_Shoot_Found
― goole, Thursday, 13 June 2013 15:50 (ten years ago) link
Rick Perlstein suggests Greenwald made a mistake.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 June 2013 21:42 (ten years ago) link
man i hate that fawkes mask but that photo is a sight
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 14 June 2013 00:02 (ten years ago) link
For all you potential whistleblowers here on ilx: this is what will happen if you come forward.
We are currently seeking a person of interest named Excelsior from the secret online collective known as 77 borad
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Friday, 14 June 2013 00:32 (ten years ago) link
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/946661_496948723709933_306826955_n.jpg
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 14 June 2013 02:26 (ten years ago) link
Jack Shafer:
Secrets are sacrosanct in Washington until officials find political expediency in either declassifying them or leaking them selectively. It doesn’t really matter which modern presidential administration you decide to scrutinize for this behavior, as all of them are guilty. For instance, President George W. Bush’s administration declassified or leaked whole barrels of intelligence, raw and otherwise, to convince the public and Congress making war on Iraq was a good idea. Bush himself ordered the release of classified prewar intelligence about Iraq through Vice President Dick Cheney and Chief of Staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby to New York Times reporter Judith Miller in July 2003.
Sometimes the index finger of government has no idea of what the thumb is up to. In 2007, Vice President Cheney went directly to Bush with his complaint about what he considered to be a damaging national security leak in a column by the Washington Post’s David Ignatius. “Whoever is leaking information like this to the press is doing a real disservice, Mr. President,” Cheney said. Later, Bush’s national security adviser paid a visit to Cheney to explain that Bush, um, had authorized him to make the leak to Ignatius.
In 2010, NBC News reporter Michael Isikoff detailed similar secrecy machinations by the Obama administration, which leaked to Bob Woodward “a wealth of eye-popping details from a highly classified briefing” to President-elect Barack Obama two days after the November 2008 election. Among the disclosures to appear in Woodward’s book “Obama’s Wars” were, Isikoff wrote, “the code names of previously unknown NSA programs, the existence of a clandestine paramilitary army run by the CIA in Afghanistan, and details of a secret Chinese cyberpenetration of Obama and John McCain campaign computers.”
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 June 2013 02:27 (ten years ago) link
holy shit the nsa knows our phone numbers now?
― balls, Friday, 14 June 2013 02:34 (ten years ago) link
yeah the white house leaking intel to political or policy advantage is as old as the hills, clinton managed to raise the game to an absurdly trivial level leaking things that would normally be rightly ignored - where they intended to take their summer vacation for example - and turning them into 'exclusives' (hilariously they would often poll this kind of data beforehand, in a weird way for the time it was a pretty sophisticated operation). occasionally there will be grumbling about investigating the leaks by the out of power party and occasionally the leak will be genuinely obv serious enough to provoke outrage and an actual investigation (hello again scooter libby) but by and large it's treated as another example of the kind of bullshit that works in politics. it's also obv an example of to what absurd degree overclassification has taken place, that the entire case for a war is made via leaks or that the existence of a massive program everybody (including the ppl it targeted) effectively knew existed can only be confirmed after many years via leak. and it's very effectiveness points to why the need for greater transparency, that it is such an effective tool w/ the press but that so much of what is classified can be de facto declassified and leaked to press not on the basis of national security but political expediency distorts and corrupts public debate. at the same time to not acknowledge that there is a gulf of differences between the white house leaking something and some independant contractor is to not get the difference between averill harriman and anna chennault.
― balls, Friday, 14 June 2013 03:09 (ten years ago) link
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/06/encrypted-e-mail-how-much-annoyance-will-you-tolerate-to-keep-the-nsa-away/
― caek, Friday, 14 June 2013 13:48 (ten years ago) link
otm
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 14 June 2013 13:49 (ten years ago) link
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/06/snowden-and-greenwald-beginning-to-self-destruct-the-nation-and-mother-jones-raise-questions/
― curmudgeon, Friday, 14 June 2013 14:11 (ten years ago) link
that kinda smacks of counter-narrative work, right down to the headline, though the small Kevin Drum piece it links seems good and avoids the pitfalls of narrative-building/unbuidling
― Oral Sex in Sharp’s Ridge Park (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 14 June 2013 14:21 (ten years ago) link
I also think more attention should be given to the misleading testimony of the head of the NSA and the Director of National Intelligence, and their histories
― curmudgeon, Friday, 14 June 2013 14:28 (ten years ago) link
some of the counter-narrative stuff strikes as akin to "if the glove don't fit, you must acquit" -- meaning if snowden and greenwald's claims aren't completely accurate, there's no longer any show. which seems far from the case.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 14 June 2013 14:32 (ten years ago) link
Should note that The Daily Banter, which I've never heard of, has been at this stuff all.week.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 June 2013 14:35 (ten years ago) link
I haven't heard of it either; just stumbled across it.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 14 June 2013 14:39 (ten years ago) link
false flag
― goole, Friday, 14 June 2013 14:45 (ten years ago) link
false blog
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 14 June 2013 15:01 (ten years ago) link
I'm just glad Beetbort didn't live to see any of this.
― hashtag sizzler (Phil D.), Friday, 14 June 2013 15:05 (ten years ago) link
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 14 June 2013 15:07 (ten years ago) link
White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters this week that Obama “certainly believes that Director Clapper has been straight and direct in the answers that he’s given.”
― curmudgeon, Friday, 14 June 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link
maybe his heart and his best intentions tell him that's true, but the evidence, oh shit
― fill up at the ilx quipnjibe (Hunt3r), Friday, 14 June 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link
straight and direct has nothing to do with the truth, of course
― Z S, Friday, 14 June 2013 17:27 (ten years ago) link
Prism will help maintain order and vanquish pesky anti-Waterworld activists
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/earth-insight/2013/jun/14/climate-change-energy-shocks-nsa-prism
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 June 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link
"Climate Change Energy Shocks NSA Prism"
― high inerja (seandalai), Friday, 14 June 2013 17:42 (ten years ago) link
cool. gov't analysts and scenario planners foresee potential disaster. government's response is not to actually do anything to prevent disaster, but to let it roll on and control us instead. great.
― Spectrum, Friday, 14 June 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link
reminds me of that gov't memo that said we could all adapt and live in underground caves in case of climate change.
― Spectrum, Friday, 14 June 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link
Strangelove 2019
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:30 (ten years ago) link
with shit like this I honestly wonder if we're nearing the end of the current order of things. wtf is going on.
― Spectrum, Friday, 14 June 2013 18:31 (ten years ago) link
in fairness, Spectrum, they know it's too late to prevent it.
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:31 (ten years ago) link
xxpost giant bell jar or gtfo.
― folsom country prism (Jon Lewis), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:31 (ten years ago) link
that whole article is so poorly argued
― iatee, Friday, 14 June 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link
like the crux is linking this:
"Just last month, unilateral changes to US military laws formally granted the Pentagon extraordinary powers to intervene in a domestic "emergency" or "civil disturbance"
to random quotes from random reports
― iatee, Friday, 14 June 2013 18:34 (ten years ago) link
like its that dude's job to churn out blog posts about the environment so it's easy to see why he'd be tempted to try to link it to the subject du jour that is a nonsense article
― iatee, Friday, 14 June 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link
but that*
but the pieces, they all fit. i hope the impression i'm getting from this is wrong.
― Spectrum, Friday, 14 June 2013 18:38 (ten years ago) link
some of us don't give a shit about brilliantly argued articles, this ain't moot court
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
yes, the pieces being quotes from a bunch of different studies done by places that do thousands of nonsense studies
xp
― iatee, Friday, 14 June 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
do you guys think obama subscribes to the DoD's "Quadrennial Defense Review"
I think he borrows Biden's copy
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:41 (ten years ago) link
i'm on board with The World Is On Fire thesis, but iatee otm that the article is kinda hand-wavey
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:44 (ten years ago) link
building a conspiracy on random quotes from the PR document the DoD releases seems like a bad plan
― iatee, Friday, 14 June 2013 18:48 (ten years ago) link
certainly the government is forecasting a variety of strategic scenarios for the future, climate-driven unrest among them, and the ongoing surveillance of/application of anti-terror laws & techniques against environmental activists is very real as well. the convergence of these two things does worry me quite a bit. reading that snippet of that forecast in that way, though, strikes me as a little Alex Jones-y.
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link
yah
depends on what your definition of 'wittingly' is, man
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fdChg4P1wWY/0.jpg
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
man why do still from 1999 look like 1980
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:51 (ten years ago) link
Two writers from that site have a podcast "The Bubble Genius Bob & Chaz Show" that seems to be 100% devoted to attacking Greenwald and Sirota.
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Friday, 14 June 2013 20:06 (ten years ago) link
So we learn more about the confrontation in Ashcroft's hospital room in 2004.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 June 2013 12:09 (ten years ago) link
Yep.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-surveillance-architecture-includes-collection-of-revealing-internet-phone-metadata/2013/06/15/e9bf004a-d511-11e2-b05f-3ea3f0e7bb5a_story.html?hpid=z1
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 16 June 2013 15:00 (ten years ago) link