White trick-or-treaters in blackface: C/D?

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...the Hyde Park campus, where about 4 percent of the undergraduate students are black.

it's seriously that low? that's fucking pathetic, esp. given its location.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't believe nobody called Dan for his "Finally, don't fucking tell me what I should find offensive, white boy" earlier in the thread. Dan, what do you think gives you the right to call a white person that any more than we've got the right to call you "n*****r"?

........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i can't believe you didn't log in to post that!

this thread is all about hypothetical racism rather than actual racism.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

For starters, I've never seen anyone have to spell it "w**** b**".

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

and pants so low that their underwear showed

NOT UNDERWEAR! DO THEY HAVE NO SHAME? Will no one think of the whale-tails?

kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

CAUCASIAN BOY

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha yeah, that 4% figure is the culprit at least as much as whatever genius came up with that "party", that is just unreal, i am very very surprised that UC has done nothing about that

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

It began at about 10:30 p.m. and lasted an hour.

what is this, the onion?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

why is the 4% figure surprising?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

CAUCASIAN BOY

LOST AT BIRTH, RAISED BY THE DISCOMBOBULATED LEFT...

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

there are a lot of onion moments in this thread (if the onion cut&pastes onto here are representative anyway)

Students talked and listened to music. Some drank beer, a violation of university policy. in particular. but, also the concept of dressing up as a rape victim for halloween. not quite sure how that would be done. or, dressing up as a basketball player for...halloween! with ilx the way it is, sometimes i wonder if these threads are elaborate hoaxes

terry lennox. (gareth), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Halloween may be treated somewhat differently in the US v-a-v the UK

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

it's not surprising, it's pathetic, gabbneb.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

they do have a pretty low yield rate, for one thing.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha yeah, that 4% figure is the culprit at least as much as whatever genius came up with that "party", that is just unreal, i am very very surprised that UC has done nothing about that

Things like that are a vicious cycle. Bright-eyed and bushy-tailed black prefrosh asks a current UC student what it's like. They say, "I like my classes, but there's all sorts of crap I have to deal with in other areas. If I had to choose again, I might go somewhere else." Prefrosh chooses somewhere else. Acceptance numbers fall. Etc.

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

(though rising)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Does nobody else see the hypocrisy of someone complaining about racism and then really proudly using a racial slur on somebody else? I realise given the history of racism against blacks in the US it makes the n word a particularly sensitive one, but that doesn't mean less extreme racial slurs should be tolerated.

........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

a 4% black student body does not seem right for a liberal chicago university; it sounds like the kind of numbers you'd have in 1966

xpost yeah, totally, although do you really think it's cause of lack of interest?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

gabbneb, as far as I can tell from a stats survey I just pulled up, there's not a single Ivy League school that isn't boasting double (or almost double) that number. And that percentage is kind of sad. 4% at UIC?

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost: yea, i wondered that, as i typed. i am trying to imagine someone dressing as thierry henry or frank lampard for halloween. still dont know how a rape victim outfit would pan out though...

terry lennox. (gareth), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

a 4% black student body does not seem right for a liberal chicago university; it sounds like the kind of numbers you'd have in 1966

u of c ain't that liberal, but yeah, it is on the SOUTH SIDE.

"white boy" is a racial slur now?

xpost - not UIC, allyzay, U of C. i doubt UIC has such pitiful numbers.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

"white boy" is a pretty weak racial slur, if it even counts as one at all.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm glad i didn't decide to dress up as cristiano ronaldo this year..

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh I get the two confused whoops. It's still really pathetic and yeah actually kind of surprising.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

gabbneb, as far as I can tell from a stats survey I just pulled up, there's not a single Ivy League school that isn't boasting double (or almost double) that number.

yeah, it's certainly low compared to, say, Columbia, whose endowment isn't that much bigger than UoC's, but most or all of the Ivies have higher yields (and a greater range of undergrad programs), I believe

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

my debut album was going to be called 'Funky White Boy', the title track of which was to sample Afrika Bambaataa when asked why he was such a big fan of Kraftwerk for a BBC documentary.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

it is on the SOUTH SIDE.

so?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

"White boy" isn't always a racial slur, but it was in that case - it was clearly meant offensively. Racial slurs can be contextual, after all - it's ok for a black person to call another one "n***a", but it would be really offensive if a white person said it. (xpost)

........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.superseventies.com/3_76.gif

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

RACISTS ON TWO COUNTS!

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

What does that have to do with the number of black students you have on your campus?

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess I'm saying that there are lots of people across the board who get into Chicago but go instead to an Ivy or some other equivalent, and that this may be part of the explanation for lower diversity there.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

it's ok for a black person to call another one "n***a"

OR, it's stupid and reductive, by and large.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I know when I was looking at schools it was really important for me to be some place where I could be comfortable and not just a face they stick in a brochure and trot out for alumni events. Numbers were extremely important. I went to Wes because I was pretty much happily surprised that there was a significant amount of black kids (that's since dropped over the years) at this school in West Bumblefuck, CT. The more minorities they have running around, the better it makes a school look. Hence why UC is having a shitfit over that party. It's just bad PR and only going to make their numbers worse.

xpost well, Ethan is a boy who is white and I think Dan's point was that it was "cute" he was telling a black guy how black people feel about things.

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

isn't UC basically an ivy equivalent already?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

gabbneb, that's not a claim you can prove. and given that the U of C is located in the "Capital of Black America," do you think they shouldn't have a commitment to recruiting black students? i mean i'm sure you agree with me there, so i'm not sure why you're excusing the institution for its failure.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

So do you disagree that it's more likely for "n****r" to be interpreted as an insult when coming from a white person?

........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

no, i don't agree with you there, and i'm explaining in part an outcome rather than excusing a potential failure

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

just to clear things up i am not down with the anon poster tryna stick up for me or fight "reverse racism" or what the fuck ever on right now, i got offended by dans accusations of my predjudice like 1000000x more than gettin called white boy or whatever, go to h.s. in SC (& put in work as a rap journalist & wash dishes at jamaican restaurants) and youll get over "white boy" reeeeal fast... so yeah shit got heated but i think its cool now and my white ass is usually more guiltier of race-baiting than dan anyway, i think most everybody gets to talkin shit round here sometimes

_, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

but you have no way to back up your claim, gabbneb, and quite frankly it's not very plausible.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

back in the day, we white boys just got called "wanyne's world"

sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm not making a claim, i'm describing what i think might be a factor in the outcome rather than assuming that it's attributable to a failure by the organization

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

hstencil, you can recruit all you want, but if it's not the right situation, kids are not going to go. It's pretty much as simple as that.

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I wasn't trying to stick up for you, I was offended myself. I just don't see why anyone should be allowed to get away with lashing out with a race-specific insult, no matter what racial origin they are themselves. I don't see why white people should have to "get over" race-specific stuff any more than black people should. It would have been just as easy for Dan to say "fuck you, asshole" as to say "fuck off, whiteboy" - I'm just pointing out that a) there's a difference between those two things b) that there was no need for it and c) that if someone had said "fuck you blacky" to him it would have caused a huge outcry.

........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

can people please stop responding to this asshole

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

but i'd rather be a white boy than an asshole.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh-oh. I'm smellin' a revival...
Speaking of churches, I had a very unsettling time at a church Halloween
carnival recently. My children and I attended the carnival at Pulaski
Heights Methodist Church last Sunday at the invitation of a friend/member.
Walking around and laughing with all of the adults was a young gentleman
dressed completely in blackface, including full afro, carrying a wine
glass. He may have been portraying some funny character from a movie -- I
dunno, not as hip as I used to be.

Its ironic, because the same day the D*G referenced a judge who had been
suspended for 6 months for doing that exact same thing. Am I missing
something? I'm not very PC, but it still seems rather offensive and taboo,
not b/c its offensive in and of itself, but simply b/c of the cultural
history including the old Step n' Fetchit bs. Kind of like flying an
airplane into a building isn't offensive per se, but given the context
after 9/11, it is now.

Did his parents not say anything to him? What about the older adults at the
church? They didn't have many AA's in attendance, so maybe the church
members thought it was no big deal.

That's from a local mailing list that I received today.

Oh, and quit sniveling .......... You'll get over it soon, white boy.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Please tell me why I'm an asshole! I'm just pointing out that racism, whether at its extremes or just a unthinking lashing out, can be offensive and cause hurt to people. I don't like racism in any form - where's the asshole in that?

........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Reed has 3% black enrollment. Bard has 2.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm not making a claim, i'm describing what i think might be a factor in the outcome rather than assuming that it's attributable to a failure by the organization

but, again, you have no proof, unless U of C actually releases stats on minority recruitment, which i doubt they do. i'm going to assume it's a failure, perhaps it's just my pessimism, but i'm not sure what drives your defense of an institution that has never particularly seemed to try too hard, afaik, to recruit from its own community.

hstencil, you can recruit all you want, but if it's not the right situation, kids are not going to go. It's pretty much as simple as that.

sure. but there's a lot more that can be done than just half-hearted efforts at recruitment (if that's the problem - none of us knows the actual reasons the percentage is so low). i am not so sure, as gabbneb is, that the reason the percentage is so low is because qualified black students go elsewhere, esp. if it's local students we're talking about.

xpost - bard is in the middle of nowhere, not the "capitol of black america" gabbneb.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link


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