way more in favor of demonizing Assange tbh
― El tres de 乒乓 de 1808 (silby), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 04:22 (ten years ago) link
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/pages/poll-edward-snowden
― balls, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 05:25 (ten years ago) link
speaking of balls
“Those people should be shot in the balls,” Snowden said of leakers in a January 2009 chat. Snowden had logged into an Internet Relay Chat (IRC) server associated with Ars Technica, a popular tech news site. While Ars itself didn’t log the conversations, multiple participants in the discussions kept logs of the chats and provided them to the technology site.At this point, Snowden’s evolution into a fierce critic of the national security establishment was in its early stages. Snowden was incensed at the New York Times, which had described secret negotiations between the United States and Israel over how best to deal with Iran’s suspected nuclear program.“Are they TRYING to start a war? Jesus christ. They’re like wikileaks.” Snowden wrote. “You don’t put that s— in the NEWSPAPER.”“They have a HISTORY of this s—,” he continued, making liberal use of capital letters and profanity. “These are the same people who blew the whole ‘we could listen to osama’s cell phone’ thing. The same people who screwed us on wiretapping. Over and over and over again.”He said he enjoyed “ethical reporting.” But “VIOLATING NATIONAL SECURITY? no. That s— is classified for a reason. It’s not because ‘oh we hope our citizens don’t find out.’ It’s because ‘this s— won’t work if iran knows what we’re doing.’”“I am so angry right now. This is completely unbelievable.”
At this point, Snowden’s evolution into a fierce critic of the national security establishment was in its early stages. Snowden was incensed at the New York Times, which had described secret negotiations between the United States and Israel over how best to deal with Iran’s suspected nuclear program.“Are they TRYING to start a war? Jesus christ. They’re like wikileaks.” Snowden wrote. “You don’t put that s— in the NEWSPAPER.”
“They have a HISTORY of this s—,” he continued, making liberal use of capital letters and profanity. “These are the same people who blew the whole ‘we could listen to osama’s cell phone’ thing. The same people who screwed us on wiretapping. Over and over and over again.”He said he enjoyed “ethical reporting.” But “VIOLATING NATIONAL SECURITY? no. That s— is classified for a reason. It’s not because ‘oh we hope our citizens don’t find out.’ It’s because ‘this s— won’t work if iran knows what we’re doing.’”
“I am so angry right now. This is completely unbelievable.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/26/four-years-ago-ed-snowden-thought-leakers-should-be-shot/
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 18:17 (ten years ago) link
snowden... otm?
― Mordy , Wednesday, 26 June 2013 18:18 (ten years ago) link
disappointed the post didn't include "-in-the-balls" at the end of the URL there
― Z S, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 18:20 (ten years ago) link
he evolved
you might someday xp
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link
@chrislhayes Quite an ideological journey for Ed Snowden … This seems to make the act of conscience motivation *more* credible
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link
agree tbh
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 18:30 (ten years ago) link
I see a significant difference between the leaks Snowden was describing in 2009 and this one
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 18:31 (ten years ago) link
well and as has been discussed doc dump vs. targeted release are v diff imo
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 18:34 (ten years ago) link
it's been mentioned over and over, but i'm not sure what the "terrorists" learned from the nsa leak. that they're trying to monitor their phone calls and internet usage? that doesn't strike me as a huge blow to national security.
― Z S, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 18:36 (ten years ago) link
whereas leaking "secret negotiations between the United States and Israel over how best to deal with Iran’s suspected nuclear program" seems a bit more consequential.
in other words hurting otm
― Z S, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link
Im confused as to why nobody has talked to him in the last couple days.. if hes just chillin in an airport how come nobody has seen him?
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 18:38 (ten years ago) link
other day one of the reporters who was stuck on the flight to cuba landed back in moscow and chatted with a customs guy who said he sees him all the time
probably bs, but lol
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
used to think they should be shot in the balls, now he thinks they will be shot in the balls
― goole, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 19:07 (ten years ago) link
BREAKING: Snowden found crying in Sheremetyevo Airport, shot in balls
― Z S, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 19:30 (ten years ago) link
are we really surprised that a guy who worked at the cia and then the nsa once felt that way?
what snowden leaked poses zero threat to national security; it poses a threat to the obama admin's ability to keep a lid on policies they know the public would be creeped out by.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 19:52 (ten years ago) link
In 2009 Snowden prob thought the gold standard was for pussies, too. But Snowden isn't the story, or he shouldn't be. Who cares what some 29 year old chatted about when he was 24? Either we care about NSA's harvesting data on billions of daily phone calls or we don't care. Snowden's faded opinions are irrelevant.
As Sen. Wyden keeps saying, no one has made a case that we couldn't achieve the same ends through less intrusive means. And yes, slippery slopes do apply here.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 20:09 (ten years ago) link
right
― Šite New Answers (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 20:12 (ten years ago) link
the plurality of american/english journalists with any national security remit are complaisant dicksucks who will personalize/psychologize this ephemera like it has any consequence to the material disclosed
― Šite New Answers (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 20:18 (ten years ago) link
The ACLU lawsuit, which establishes standing to sue bcz ACLU is a Verizon customer, seems like the most promising avenue being followed atm. The 'national conversation on security and privacy issues' Obama said he wanted really sucks ass so far. But "national conversations on X issue" usually suck ass.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 20:25 (ten years ago) link
http://nsa.motherboard.tv/
― Just Elevate... And Decide In The Air -- Above the Rim (dan m), Thursday, 27 June 2013 19:32 (ten years ago) link
ACLU will lose but am so glad they are fighting. I should give them more money.
― the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 June 2013 19:35 (ten years ago) link
yeah i give them 10 bucks a month but i r poor
― k3vin k., Friday, 28 June 2013 06:18 (ten years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-chief-says-surveillance-programs-helped-thwart-dozens-of-plots/2013/06/27/e97ab0a2-df70-11e2-963a-72d740e88c12_story.html?hpid=z1
NSA head vs 2 Senate Dems
Two Democratic senators, Ron Wyden of Oregon and Mark Udall of Colorado, have questioned whether the collection of tens of millions of domestic calling records has helped thwart plots.
“It appears that the bulk phone records collection program under section 215 of the USA Patriot Act played little or no role in most of these disruptions,” the senators said in a statement. They did note that targeting foreign communications under Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was useful but that conflating these programs as one effort was misleading.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 28 June 2013 15:49 (ten years ago) link
President Obama on Thursday defended the handling of the international chase for the former government contractor, calling it a legal matter and saying he was “not going to be scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker.” Asked whether he had personally called Chinese President Xi Jinping or Russian President Vladimir Putin about Snowden, Obama said he had not.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-snowden-playbook-obama-administration-prioritized-legal-channels-over-diplomacy/2013/06/27/17523a0a-de7b-11e2-b797-cbd4cb13f9c6_story.html?hpid=z1
― curmudgeon, Friday, 28 June 2013 15:51 (ten years ago) link
how old would a hacker have to be to make scrambling jets worthwhile?
― nagl dude dude dude (ledge), Friday, 28 June 2013 15:53 (ten years ago) link
17, like Broderick in WarGames
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 June 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7b6lfHFPz1qzx3igo1_500.jpg
Would scramble jets for.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 28 June 2013 16:04 (ten years ago) link
there it is
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 28 June 2013 16:05 (ten years ago) link
Nina Khruscheva rants, goes in on Cheney
commenters are largely unimpressed
― DJP, Friday, 28 June 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link
In 1982, for example, when I was in high school in Moscow, I was on the phone with one of my closest friends, talking about how relieved we were that Leonid Brezhnev had finally died, after 18 years of stifling power. Suddenly, there was a metallic click on the line and we heard a dour man’s voice. A KGB functionary, no doubt. “Hang up the phone,” he demanded, “immediately.” We did.I dare anyone to tell me that this has happened to you in the United States.
I dare anyone to tell me that this has happened to you in the United States.
yeah we have a fuckin budget here
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Friday, 28 June 2013 16:43 (ten years ago) link
hah
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 28 June 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link
is julian assange gonna turn ecuador into reddit island
― daft on the causes of punk (schlump), Friday, 28 June 2013 18:58 (ten years ago) link
a dreamland where the bitcoins flow like water and nobody has to worry about broads calling it rape when they wanted it
― iatee, Friday, 28 June 2013 19:00 (ten years ago) link
Can you take me higher ruh. To a place with bitcoin streams ruh.
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 29 June 2013 08:07 (ten years ago) link
Memories of Stasi color Germans’ view of U.S. surveillance programs
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/26/195045/memories-of-stasi-color-germans.html
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 June 2013 08:31 (ten years ago) link
free Edward Snowden tutorials
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/28/opinion/the-criminal-nsa.html?src=recg
― k3vin k., Monday, 1 July 2013 10:53 (ten years ago) link
Be hilarious if dude ended up like the guy trapped in the Paris airport. It'd be like the end of "The Shield." Yeah, he got away with it ... but at what cost!?!?
Remind me what Snowden flew to China first, rather than someplace he actually needed to be? Why didn't he fly straight to Ecuador, or Mexico to Cuba or whatever?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 July 2013 12:14 (ten years ago) link
reading the times account of his time in HK it sounds like he was kind of misled or overly optimistic about his chances of avoiding extradition
― max, Monday, 1 July 2013 12:25 (ten years ago) link
RT @Reuters: Putin says if Snowden wants to stay in Russia, he must "stop his work aimed at harming our American partners"
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 1 July 2013 15:01 (ten years ago) link
oh putin-paws
― Mordy , Monday, 1 July 2013 15:03 (ten years ago) link
giving him up seems like a good move for putin. earns some political capital in the us/russia relationship at basically no real cost?
― iatee, Monday, 1 July 2013 15:05 (ten years ago) link
like it's pretty hard to imagine that mr. kgb has an ounce of sympathy for for snowden
― iatee, Monday, 1 July 2013 15:11 (ten years ago) link
But he doesn't seem to care too much about political capital with the US either
― curmudgeon, Monday, 1 July 2013 15:17 (ten years ago) link
putin is just having fun out there, playing like a young kid
― goole, Monday, 1 July 2013 15:23 (ten years ago) link
goole otm
― max, Monday, 1 July 2013 15:25 (ten years ago) link
he should send snowden back wearing the super bowl ring
― iatee, Monday, 1 July 2013 15:35 (ten years ago) link
he should make Snowden arm wrestle for it first
― big black nemesis, Puya chilensis (DJP), Monday, 1 July 2013 15:35 (ten years ago) link