I can think of some other reasons why a Ron Paul fan wouldn't want to spend the rest of his life in Cuba
― iatee, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 12:43 (ten years ago) link
thanks for apologizing
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 2 July 2013 12:44 (ten years ago) link
I doubt the people who want him hung for treason will care either way but anyone who is conflicted about the morality of the US spying on its citizens and allies might. It's a lot easier to question his motives if he jumps on the first plane to Havana.
And yes, he seems more of a libertarian than a socialist so Cuba wouldn't exactly be ideal either way.
― Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 12:51 (ten years ago) link
he should move to Somalia then badoom-tish
― 10zing blogay (seandalai), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 13:22 (ten years ago) link
No internet access iirc.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 13:24 (ten years ago) link
To do list:
1) Find country that would give me asylum2) Go close to - or even to - that country3) Leak state secrets4) Invoke asylum.
I seem to recall Snowden explaining why originally Hong Kong, but I can't remember why. Clearly it didn't work out for him, or at least hasn't yet.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 13:29 (ten years ago) link
hong kong is the libertarian dreamland
― iatee, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 13:30 (ten years ago) link
^^^
― balls, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 13:30 (ten years ago) link
they got seat belts?
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 13:33 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k68VJnpqJb8
― iatee, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 13:34 (ten years ago) link
HK also has some of the fatest internet infrastructure in the world, and is the "home" of shady web companies like megaupload
snowden was a big poster on ars technica forums:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/04/1gbps-symmetric-fiber-us26-in-hong-kong/http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/01/fiber-fail-hong-kong-booms-as-verizon-retrenches/
http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=177549
― max, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 13:45 (ten years ago) link
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/peter-king-suspicious-of-snowdens-china-connections-he
― dylannn, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 13:54 (ten years ago) link
lol check the anti-democracy comments up top on that HK youtube
― goole, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 14:01 (ten years ago) link
He's the man without a country. Maybe he can get a job in that Russian airport?
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 14:21 (ten years ago) link
If someone like Snowden were in China, say, would he have free and unfettered access to the fast internet? Or would his internet access be censored/monitored/limited?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 14:45 (ten years ago) link
from what ive read the reason he left HK is because he learned he could be jailed during his asylum/extradition process and would lose access to the internet
― max, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 14:57 (ten years ago) link
https://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/sergei-yolkin-internet-addiction-2011.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 15:04 (ten years ago) link
idk if everybody already read the interviews greenwald gave abt the initial encounters with snowden but in the socialism talk he says "from the moment he made contact with me he was clear in his understanding that he was relinquishing control of his life, that from here forward he would be pursued, imprisoned, or worse by the most powerful government in the world. i expected to meet a high ranking official at tne end of his career and prepared to live out his final years in defiance. i did not expect to meet such a courageous young man with his whole life still ahead of him, called by conscience to reveal the truth."
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 15:05 (ten years ago) link
prob some hagiography happening there but this is a guy who seems to have gone into this clear eyed, if not entirely accurate in his predictions of outcomes.
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 15:06 (ten years ago) link
"prob"
― big black nemesis, Puya chilensis (DJP), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 15:07 (ten years ago) link
His poor father...
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 15:07 (ten years ago) link
He's been so clear eyed and realistic that's it's a wonder he didn't work things out better before he sealed his fate.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 15:10 (ten years ago) link
What You Can Learn from Six Months of Phone Metadata
― This amigurumi Jamaican octopus is ready to chill with you (Phil D.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 15:49 (ten years ago) link
Wow
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 15:55 (ten years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, July 2, 2013 3:10 PM (2 hours ago)
He should have contacted you and then he would be sitting pretty with your pal Josh in Caracas
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:07 (ten years ago) link
really though, next time around call ahead first ed, no one likes the drop-in
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:10 (ten years ago) link
dad wrote open letter, can't find full post
The father of NSA leaker Edward Snowden, frustrated by his inability to reach out directly to his son, has written an open letter to him extolling him for "summoning the American people to confront the growing danger of tyranny."The letter was written jointly Tuesday by Lonnie Snowden and his lawyer, Bruce Fein.It comes a day after Edward Snowden issued a statement through WikiLeaks ripping the Obama administration for leaving him "stateless" and revoking his passport.Snowden is in Russia and has been seeking asylum in multiple countries.Snowden's father has expressed concern that WikiLeaks supporters who have been helping his son seek asylum may not have his best interests at heart. The father has said he'd like his son to return to the U.S. under the right circumstances.
The letter was written jointly Tuesday by Lonnie Snowden and his lawyer, Bruce Fein.
It comes a day after Edward Snowden issued a statement through WikiLeaks ripping the Obama administration for leaving him "stateless" and revoking his passport.
Snowden is in Russia and has been seeking asylum in multiple countries.
Snowden's father has expressed concern that WikiLeaks supporters who have been helping his son seek asylum may not have his best interests at heart. The father has said he'd like his son to return to the U.S. under the right circumstances.
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:11 (ten years ago) link
prob some hagiography happening there
I don't think yer allowed to call anything hagiography unless it rises to the level of giving the Nobel Peace Prize to a guy about to embark on an 8-year killing spree, but meh, semantics.
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link
I swear, someone could be talking about croissants and you'd pop up drily wondering how many people Bam the War Criminal had executed by drone strike to get those croissants extra buttery
― big black nemesis, Puya chilensis (DJP), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link
i go with my strengths, dude
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link
"strengths"
― copter (waterface), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:27 (ten years ago) link
http://images.politico.com/global/2012/12/04/121204_barack_obama_ap_605.jpg
"HURRY UP WITH MY DAMN CROISSANTS!"
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:27 (ten years ago) link
you see, when Kanye says it it's funny, when Obama says it it's chilling because he has his finger on the drone trigger if those croissants don't show up pronto.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:32 (ten years ago) link
morbs the kanye they're speaking of is kanye west, he's a rapper (it's when you talk in rhymes over a 'beat'), he's got an album about croissants out right now, lou reed loves it, says it reminds him of farts.
― balls, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link
lol alfred
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 19:01 (ten years ago) link
hey balls, i was goin to rap shows long b4 yr pubes came in, just sayin
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 19:20 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgflip.com/13lz5.gif
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 21:01 (ten years ago) link
Moving on (gif hell on bookmarks).
― aldi young dudes (suzy), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 21:16 (ten years ago) link
Plane carrying Bolivian president, Eva Morales, rerouted to Austria on suspicion US whistleblower Edward Snowden is on board. More soon …
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 23:20 (ten years ago) link
idiot! so many embassies and he had to take a plane
― reet pish (imago), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 23:22 (ten years ago) link
fuck you if you dont have #teamsnowden stickers on yr laptop right now
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 23:23 (ten years ago) link
idk if snowden was naive about the ruthless american war machine hunting him down, but i think maybe he was naive about the stability of the current world order - i think he's surprised to find out that the united states has the pull that it does
― Mordy , Tuesday, 2 July 2013 23:26 (ten years ago) link
that 'eva' morales was of course from the fine subs at the guardian
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 23:30 (ten years ago) link
i think he's surprised to find out that the united states has the pull that it does
Massive irony in dude leaking proof of US omniscience taken by surprise by scope and reach of US power.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 00:17 (ten years ago) link
"Yeah, I knew they were recording and spying on countless phone calls and stuff, but who would have guessed they'd have so much away with their treaty-bound diplomatic allies?"
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 00:19 (ten years ago) link
Schumer is still under the illusion that the US has as much power in the world as it had in the Sixties. He's living in the past, mahnnn.
― Le Bateau Ivre
― balls, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 00:21 (ten years ago) link
josh i look forward to your guide on evading us hegemony after leaking top secret documents
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 05:10 (ten years ago) link
whenever you make the time
when the dn changes to Josh in Bolivia, you will know he made the time
― Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 05:20 (ten years ago) link
Snowden reminds me a lot of guys you would see at hacker conventions in the early 90s - the corporate cyberpunks who talked a big game about how one day they were going take on the system and defeat Big Brother like it was a James Bond story. I think Snowden thought that the reveal itself would give him don't-kill-the-messenger immunity but he badly underestimated just how ruthless this type of Power operates - you would think the house in Hawaii, the high-paying job, and the dancing exhibitionist girlfriend would be a tip off. It works in organized crime.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 05:52 (ten years ago) link