I HATE CLUBBING

Er, that sentence is the first time those scare quotes went on. Are you saying that the stuff people your age are listening to was "socially conscious" rather than socially conscious?

I do think it's a shame there's a type of music they don't make much of anymore, and I am suprised at how gleeful I am that the on-paper dull and "worthy" Faithless single is in fact ace.

Of course it's not like "good" music has better odds than any other sort at being good music, it may just be that they made more of it back then. "Small town boy" AND "Don't leave me this way".

For me the thing in the 90s (which was the start of this Generation Y apathy, the rule that No Logo was the exception to) was going "Hooray, we've won! Oh fuck, that's not us!".

http://www.heavenly100.com/img/artists_pics/socialism.jpg

I guess reacting agin this was important -- but because it wasn't laid on me (I had '88 mythology to content with -- from Shoom *and* from Chuck D) it hasn't been a great burden.

Oh I guess I dugged the MFTJG sleeve at 13. Erm, but then I liked the Manics...

Which is what I was railing against and regardless of whether Doglatin was playing devil's advocate or not this attitude is annoyingly prevalent even among educated people who should know better. Its also only really a small step away from the Daily Mail "Television is corrupting our youth, I remember when I was a child we all gleefully read books" line.

Damn, Tim has made me feel mildly silly but I'm going to post this anyway.

(xpost HAHAHA PHEAR MY MIGHTY PHALLUS oh sorry wrong thread)

Enrique if you look back on the MFTJG sleeve and cringe, that strikes me as more disappointing than the idea that it was JUST a naive statement to be discounted now

The thing is, the sense of "we've won" is never going to be anything but a false dawn because there is never a victory in life as regards anything, it's an ongoing series of problems/solutions.

How's he doing the Jamaica rap?
He's from just south of the Watford Gap
He gives us stick about the north/south divide
'cause they got the jobs
Yeah, but we got the side

That's some heavy shit there, people.

most unfortunate considering they were thrown at him on one occasion. actually maybe THIS was why all along...'racialist? why no your honour i'm just a little hard of hearing!'

I cringe in the same way I cringe at 'Gold Agin the Soul', on aesthetic grounds which are also political. Liam 'n' co are not very axiomatic of what's happened to rave culture BUT they aren't quite the idealists any more, or if they are it's in an entirely different way.

I think the fact that the anti-Bush coalition is all over the place is overshadowing the fact that the pro-Bush coalition is equally all over the place. If the War on Terror ended tomorrow, there'd be a lot of "hang on, why are we supporting this guy again?". But the WoT is designed to be without end... (puts on tin-foil hat)

sorry, this is the one i was looking for. i dont like the attitudes expressed in this thread, and i think its a shadow that hangs over this one, and others, also

Not as good as the "bag of chips" comment though. I love it when people remind me of things I should never have forgotten.

To be honest, in Oxford you can pretty much avoid the problems described initially on this thread by DL by avoiding *one particular* club.

Matt otm re chips.

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