― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:09 (twenty years ago) link
Er, that sentence is the first time those scare quotes went on. Are you saying that the stuff people your age are listening to was "socially conscious" rather than socially conscious?
I do think it's a shame there's a type of music they don't make much of anymore, and I am suprised at how gleeful I am that the on-paper dull and "worthy" Faithless single is in fact ace.
Of course it's not like "good" music has better odds than any other sort at being good music, it may just be that they made more of it back then. "Small town boy" AND "Don't leave me this way".
For me the thing in the 90s (which was the start of this Generation Y apathy, the rule that No Logo was the exception to) was going "Hooray, we've won! Oh fuck, that's not us!".
http://www.heavenly100.com/img/artists_pics/socialism.jpg
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link
I guess reacting agin this was important -- but because it wasn't laid on me (I had '88 mythology to content with -- from Shoom *and* from Chuck D) it hasn't been a great burden.
Oh I guess I dugged the MFTJG sleeve at 13. Erm, but then I liked the Manics...
― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link
Which is what I was railing against and regardless of whether Doglatin was playing devil's advocate or not this attitude is annoyingly prevalent even among educated people who should know better. Its also only really a small step away from the Daily Mail "Television is corrupting our youth, I remember when I was a child we all gleefully read books" line.
Damn, Tim has made me feel mildly silly but I'm going to post this anyway.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link
(xpost HAHAHA PHEAR MY MIGHTY PHALLUS oh sorry wrong thread)
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:15 (twenty years ago) link
Enrique if you look back on the MFTJG sleeve and cringe, that strikes me as more disappointing than the idea that it was JUST a naive statement to be discounted now
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:16 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link
The thing is, the sense of "we've won" is never going to be anything but a false dawn because there is never a victory in life as regards anything, it's an ongoing series of problems/solutions.
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link
How's he doing the Jamaica rap? He's from just south of the Watford GapHe gives us stick about the north/south divide'cause they got the jobs Yeah, but we got the side
That's some heavy shit there, people.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link
most unfortunate considering they were thrown at him on one occasion. actually maybe THIS was why all along...'racialist? why no your honour i'm just a little hard of hearing!'
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link
I cringe in the same way I cringe at 'Gold Agin the Soul', on aesthetic grounds which are also political. Liam 'n' co are not very axiomatic of what's happened to rave culture BUT they aren't quite the idealists any more, or if they are it's in an entirely different way.
― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:36 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link
I think the fact that the anti-Bush coalition is all over the place is overshadowing the fact that the pro-Bush coalition is equally all over the place. If the War on Terror ended tomorrow, there'd be a lot of "hang on, why are we supporting this guy again?". But the WoT is designed to be without end... (puts on tin-foil hat)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 20 June 2004 10:29 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 20 June 2004 10:53 (twenty years ago) link
― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 09:57 (twenty years ago) link
― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 09:58 (twenty years ago) link
sorry, this is the one i was looking for. i dont like the attitudes expressed in this thread, and i think its a shadow that hangs over this one, and others, also
― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 10:42 (twenty years ago) link
― splooge (thesplooge), Monday, 17 January 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― :| (....), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link
Not as good as the "bag of chips" comment though. I love it when people remind me of things I should never have forgotten.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― :| (....), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link
To be honest, in Oxford you can pretty much avoid the problems described initially on this thread by DL by avoiding *one particular* club.
― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― :| (....), Monday, 17 January 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link
Matt otm re chips.
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link
!
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 02:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 02:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 06:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 May 2005 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 16 May 2005 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link