Democratic (Party) Direction

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so, anyone wanna place any bets on how quickly the Democrats roll over on this new Patriot Act "deal"? After all, can't afford to look like obstructionists on an issue of national security blah blah blah...

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Goddammit, this shit is retarded.

Paul Hackett just quit the Senate race in Ohio due to reported pressure from Harry Reid & Chuck Schumer to switch to the House race against Jean Schmidt. Somebody needs to dump the bullshit consultants that the DNC listens to:

Jennifer Duffy, who analyzes Senate races for the Cook Political Report, said that part of what made Democratic leaders nervous about Mr. Hackett was what had also made him so popular with voters.

"Hackett is seen by many as a straight talker, and he became an icon to the liberal bloggers because he says exactly what they have wished they would hear from a politician," Ms. Duffy said. "On the other hand, the Senate is still an exclusive club, and the party expects a certain level of decorum that Hackett has not always shown."

Mr. Hackett was widely criticized last year for using indecent language to describe President Bush. Last month, state Republicans attacked Mr. Hackett for saying their party had been hijacked by religious extremists who he said "aren't a whole lot different than Osama bin Laden."

Though Republicans called for an apology, Mr. Hackett repeated the mantra of his early campaign: "I said it. I meant it. I stand behind it."

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Democratic Party Direction = over the falls

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

the DCCC picked a better-known, more popular, more (politically and substantively) experienced (and, as it happens, more liberal) candidate after Hackett spent too long dithering about whether to enter the race, then chose to make it a relatively quixotic primary context.

who are these consultants?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Democratic Party Direction = over the falls

only if it gives in to the desires of some that it become the party of alienation

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Gabb, Hackett got declared republican voters to CAMPAIGN for him, fer chrissakes. Last year, he actually got some folks excited for once, and was the first candidate to who I ever actually contributed cash.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

apologist.

Won any elections lately? Had any legislative successes lately?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh Jesus, it's party of alienating itself from voters by being invertebrates.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Getting folks who already vote Democratic excited /= winning an election. Hackett's House campaign was run by a guy now running Brown's campaign. He was free to run for the House again. He was also free to run for the Senate again, but he waited too long to decide, and Brown got in.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

if brown wins, it'll look like a smart move. if he loses, lots of people will say they should've run hackett. it's pretty hard to tell which one of them would be more "electable." otoh, pissing off hackett was a bad move, someone should've finessed that, gotten him to graciously withdraw and endorse and campaign for brown. the way it happened is gonna hurt.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

hey Shakey, explain me how Hackett would have won the primary

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

who voted in that moveon poll they just sent out? how'd you vote (i voted 'yes')? tell me about that texan dude they were talking about

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

hang on, lemme find it. I haven't seen it yet.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

anybody hear limbaugh this morning talking about how the press is making a bigdeal over the cheney shooting but didn't make a bigdeal over 'hillary shooting vince foster'? or when he read various other hunting accident reports and then said that the msm's not making a big deal about those incidents shows how liberal they are and how much they hate america?

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

it's pretty hard to tell which one of them would be more "electable."

no it isn't. they're both running against an incumbent with 40% approval ratings, the lowest in the Senate. while theoretically a grapefruit could win, the guy who's more "electable" is the guy with built-in name recognition who doesn't get on the news only because he uses profanity or physically threatens someone who disrupts one of his events. i don't want to let the GOP parlay stuff like that into a victory (wouldn't be extraordinarily hard - go for the McCain "he's nuts" route, or the family values one) when the election is a gimme for our side as a referendum on the incumbent.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

anybody hear limbaugh this morning talking about how the press is making a bigdeal over the cheney shooting but didn't make a bigdeal over 'hillary shooting vince foster'?

hahahahahaha o rly?

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Congressman Henry Cuellar

oh, this guy. there's been plenty about him floating around online lately. It didn't help that he had the Dubya embrace at the latest SOTU.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah apparently yesterday was the tenth anniversary of some felony she committed, probably in relation to her murdering vince foster - NOT THAT YOU'LL HEAR THE OSAMA SYMPATHIZING LIBRUL MSM MENTION IT!

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I voted No, and added comments, because I think it's bullshit to pick out Cuellar as an example when he's clearly a BushCo plant of some sort. I also think the idea that most "right-wing" Dems represent "heavily" Dem jurisdictions is ridiculous. You want me to support something, you give me specifics and specific rationales.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, let's try to get rid of John Tanner and Collin Peterson and Allen whassissname (Social Security traitor #1) from Florida and further reduce our numbers and geographic coverage! Brilliant!

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

though maybe by "right-wing" they just mean those Northeastern dudes who represent states with large corporate presences. I get it - an Endangered Species recovery program for the Rockefeller Republican.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah as long as it's strictly primaries i'm all in favor (plus how can dlc types complain - it's a total triangulation celebration for them), alot depends on the tenor and tone of the campaign ('he's no better/different than the other ticket's guy' is a bad bad idea) and in the general i'd want fall in line. 'he's not liberal enough' is a valid enough concern and 'omg he shook bush's hand' is ridiculous but neither are gonna prompt me to go anywhere near villainizing any dem, not anytime soon at least, maybe when we have solid majorities in congress ("when").

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Didn't the Vince Foster thing show up in Ken Starr's final report?

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

o god speaking of polls that reminds me - i got a REPUBLICAN PARTY CENSUS poll/campfund hitup from the herr ken and the boys at the RNC yesterday (i have no idea HOW or WHY i got it but i have a few theories) - good stuff, i'll transcribe a bit later but here's a teaser:

Do you think U.S. troops should have to serve under United Nations' commanders? (yes, no, undecided)

Do you support President Bush's initiative to allow private religious and charitable groups to do more to help those in need? (yes, no, undecided)

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

For challenging Dem righties I voted YES in lieu of "Yes shit Sherlock."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

lovely (xposT)

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Hackett's going to be on Ed Schultz this hour.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and if anybody's near a radio(or can do a webstream at work), Hackett's gunna be on the Ed Schultz Show in about a half-hour

xpost

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

anybody hear limbaugh this morning

I figured I'd just
wait for Eth4n to tell us
it was OTM

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, Hackett says it was mainly a money thing, and he didn't think he had the resources to raise $2M in 6 weeks before the primary, and he had no problem with Harry Reid.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

That's bullshit I'd guess.

multixpostBlount
I got a survey from the Republican Party ....

Dave will do (dave225.3), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Hackett didn't think he could raise the money because of Schumer and the Senate bigwigs, per his statement in the AP story.

"My donor base and host base on both coasts was contacted by elected officials and asked to stop giving,” Hackett said. “The original promise to me from Schumer was that I would have no financial concerns. It went from that to Senator Schumer actually working against my ability to raise money.”


Saying he felt betrayed by his own party, the 43-year-old Indian Hill attorney dropped out of the Senate race and declared his short political career over.

“I made this decision reluctantly, only after repeated requests from party leaders, as well as behind-the-scenes machinations, that were intended to hurt my campaign,” Hackett said in a statement.

How embarassing would it be to have this quote included in a national news story?
“Chuck Schumer should buy a conical hat and follow the wall until he finds a corner,” said Bob Brigham of San Francisco, one of three bloggers who runs the liberal political site SwingStateProject.com.
Bob Brigham, wit for hire.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Bob Brigham was the blogger-dude who helped big-up Hackett's House campaign online, getting credited by CNN for a political play of the week. He was recalled as same in the Note today.

“The original promise to me from Schumer was that I would have no financial concerns. It went from that to Senator Schumer actually working against my ability to raise money.”

yeah, he's leaving out the intermediate steps of Hackett failing to make up his mind whether to run, Brown entering the race, and then Hackett entering the race after Brown was declared

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link

neat little bit here -- has a key line that summarizes a good part of what we've been saying here:

....Personality in a media age precedes policy.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Contrary to what he says on the immigration thread, gabbneb should looove Howard Dean after his spineless lying on The 700 Club recently:

http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=838


I don't even like state-sanctioned marriage for anybody, but everytime I hear a pandering Dem say "marriage is between a man and a woman" I yell "Fuck you" very loud.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

wtf? does he honestly think the Dems are gonna score points with the fuckin 700 CLUB?! Why alienate people who traditionally will vote for you (ie, the majority of the gay community) for the sake of people who have not and most likely will never vote for you?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

howard dean has never had an idea of what works and what doesn't.

lf (lfam), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

otm

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

didn't dean legalize gay unions in vermont?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

he enacted (signed) it, but the story is a long and complicated one...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

How fucking unnecessary is that shit. I mean, come the fuck on, dude! The 700 club does not actually represent the muddled middle. Honestly, that is stupid and completely without strategic merit, not to mention immoral.

Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Howard Dean as leader of the Democratic Party is a fucking endless laugh track.

don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 19 May 2006 01:18 (eighteen years ago) link

i like 'em, but going on the 700 club in this manner is retarded.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 May 2006 01:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Bush's approval rating could drop into the single digits, Cheney could be indicted for his role in the Plame affair, American casualties in Iraq could double in 6 months, gas could top $5 a litre, and the Democrats would still find a way blow it.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Friday, 19 May 2006 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link

gas could top $5 a litre

ANSWER: Converting to the metric system

JW (these furlongs don't run) (ex machina), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:04 (eighteen years ago) link

dean blows. what a weasel. he sounded so stupid on the daily show the other night. just clueless and giggly and near incoherent. he's only fun when he's screaming. someone needs to yank him off the stage.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Dean: F
McCain: F

Republicans: F
Democrats: F
Greens: F

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFOOOOPPP!!! Disdain time!

((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I can count the number of politicans -- city, county, state, federal -- that I like on one hand.

I haven't felt this way about the U.S. before.

((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

they are all horrible.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:10 (eighteen years ago) link

time to start from scratch.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:10 (eighteen years ago) link


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