yes yes yes
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 August 2013 21:42 (ten years ago) link
memories of murder is a good film but not remotely as good as this
― The concept of making the Zuiderzee docile (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 9 August 2013 21:44 (ten years ago) link
i cannot argue with that
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 9 August 2013 21:45 (ten years ago) link
watching this right now
some interesting comic actor cameos: june diane raphael as ruffalo's wife, john ennis as a psychologist
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 9 August 2013 21:47 (ten years ago) link
the ending is def funny after having watched 'party down'
― am0n, Friday, 9 August 2013 21:48 (ten years ago) link
That opening shot is exactly the sort of shot you could not get with film.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2013 21:48 (ten years ago) link
Love Chloe Sevigny in this, especially for such a small, minor supporting role.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2013 21:49 (ten years ago) link
remind me why I don't have this on bluray. clearly I'm an asshole.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 August 2013 21:49 (ten years ago) link
This movie's like "The Thin Red Line," it can just be left playing in a loop in the background.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2013 22:13 (ten years ago) link
haha not coincidentally my other fav from the last 15 years
― ryan, Friday, 9 August 2013 22:17 (ten years ago) link
(xposts) Of the many really small roles, I love the cop who, after Koteas wryly says that Graysmith thinks he's going to solve the Zodiac case, cheerfully adds, "Good for him!"
― clemenza, Friday, 9 August 2013 22:24 (ten years ago) link
there's not a false note in any of the performances really. Love the gentle and melancholy affection between Edwards and Ruffalo. It's a moving and even slightly tragic depiction of male platonic friendship. Not a lot of other movies even approach something like that with the kind of subtlety and intimacy that feels so true to life here. Their relationship feels so worn in in a beautiful way.
― ryan, Friday, 9 August 2013 22:32 (ten years ago) link
You just reminded me of something that's so good in Zodiac, and so forced in another film I otherwise really like, Clockers. I'm thinking of the Paul Stine crime scene, and how that compares to the big crime scene in Clockers. In the latter, Keitel and Turturro engage in all this knowing, movie-cop banter that's supposed to show us how desensitized they've become. Every time I've watched Clockers, that scene bothers me--do actual cops behave this cavalierly? In Zodiac, though, there's no banter and no jokes once they arrive at the crime scene (well, excepting Ruffalo's aside about Edwards' birthday). They're completely focused on trying to make sense of what's there.
― clemenza, Friday, 9 August 2013 22:42 (ten years ago) link
yeah one thing i really like is that, despite everything, the detectives are clearly distinguished from Graysmith by their professionalism--you get this particularly with Toschi walking out of Dirty Harry early.
― ryan, Friday, 9 August 2013 22:48 (ten years ago) link
Mcpoyle from It's Always Sunny as the victim.
― dan selzer, Friday, 9 August 2013 23:10 (ten years ago) link
― clemenza, Friday, August 9, 2013 6:24 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark
james legros!
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 9 August 2013 23:16 (ten years ago) link
john getz from 'blood simple' as an editor at the chronicle
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 9 August 2013 23:22 (ten years ago) link
i love brian cox in this.
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 9 August 2013 23:23 (ten years ago) link
siskel film center is doing a fincher retrospective this month. missed this on the big screen when it came out, so i'm gonna get tix.
― Geoffrey Schweppes (jaymc), Friday, 9 August 2013 23:36 (ten years ago) link
i'm too tired to check if anyone mentioned the superb docs about the crimes on the bonus disc, but wow....amazing stuff
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 9 August 2013 23:38 (ten years ago) link
jaymc let me know when you're going and I might join you
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 9 August 2013 23:54 (ten years ago) link
"Sorry.""'Sorry'" counts as speaking."
"They like to help, you know, sometimes.""Yes, Robert, I know."
So many lines in this I never get tired of. The second exchange is such a perfect encapsulation of the relationship between Graysmith and Toschi.
― clemenza, Sunday, 11 May 2014 12:59 (ten years ago) link
this can no longer be ignored.
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 11 May 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link
mine does.
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 11 May 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
"You don't smoke, do you?""Once. In high school."
― clemenza, Sunday, 11 May 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link
rewatching
lake berryessa stabbing is so hellishly realistic...the dull thuds of each stab, his faint grunting each time...every tiny detail is so horrifying
made worse bc it's such a tranquil, beautiful setting, the dappled sunlight in their faces as they are first approachedguh
lets watch this movie forever
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 May 2014 00:55 (ten years ago) link
i love ruffalo and edwards
that first lamp scene so minimal but tells you so mucj
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 May 2014 01:00 (ten years ago) link
much
have i jizzed abt this movie enough ffs
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 May 2014 01:01 (ten years ago) link
jesus harold christ on rubber crutches
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 May 2014 01:13 (ten years ago) link
"Learn a lot"
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 May 2014 01:34 (ten years ago) link
hovered
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 12 May 2014 05:31 (ten years ago) link
"We're actively pursuing all leads."
(What do you mean by lamp scene, VG?)
― clemenza, Monday, 12 May 2014 11:57 (ten years ago) link
First Ruffalo scene where he's in bed, reaches to answer phone & knocks over lamp
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 May 2014 13:50 (ten years ago) link
Blanked out..."Let me just describe the lamp you're gonna buy me."
(I don't have all these memorized word for word--there's a transcript online.)
― clemenza, Monday, 12 May 2014 13:59 (ten years ago) link
yes let's watch something horrifying forevvvvvvvvver
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 May 2014 14:28 (ten years ago) link
i must be a horror movie philistine because i didn't like this or find it scary at all. mark ruffalo and rdj were good in it though
― een, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
It's not a horror movie.
― Diddley Hollyberry (Phil D.), Monday, 12 May 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
i mean i got the sense when it turned out to be the most obvious suspect that it was trying to break the hollywood paradigm for the benefit of real headz or something, and at the same time that its appeal isn't supposed to lie in the plot, but all these details y'all are mentioning went completely unnoticed (or unappreciated maybe) by me :(
― een, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link
xp ok, a mystery then? is the reason people like this because of the way it's interacting with whatever genre it's a part of or?
― een, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:27 (ten years ago) link
I like it for the ways it both exploits and undermines its genres conventions
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, it's a procedural, but takes place at a point in time where "procedure" couldn't get the protaganists what they needed, so the whole thing is constantly getting in its own way. Plus, nobody comes away at the end of the movie any smarter or closer to the solution than they were at the beginning! The text before the credits makes clear that "the most obvious suspect" wasn't the guy at all! But Gyllenhaal needs it to be him so he can move on.
― Diddley Hollyberry (Phil D.), Monday, 12 May 2014 15:33 (ten years ago) link
Gyllenhaal is a stand-in for the audience - he NEEDS to believe, he's been trained to require structure
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:36 (ten years ago) link
gyllenhaal is a stand-in for the audience for about 1/3 of the movie and then you realize oh he's nuttier than the rest of them put together and you're on your own
:)
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 May 2014 15:57 (ten years ago) link
i love this movie!!
― homosexual II, Monday, 12 May 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/05/zodiac-killer-is-my-father-claims-new-book.html has this been discussed yet?
― sofatruck, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link
sounds like bullshit
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, there's somewhere between a -1% and 0% chance this is true.
Nothing less than someone producing the remaining scraps of Paul Stine's shirt would convince me at this point.
― Diddley Hollyberry (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
the sequence with the murder by the lake is utterly terrifying, zodiac killer is v. wraithlike here. it's like The Innocents - a period costume movie with a ghost appearing at a body of water in broad daylight.
also v. definitely a film abt collecting, the collecting mentality, abt ppl who get obsessed by sicko detail, so it's just as finger-pointing (at the audience) as a good haneke
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:04 (ten years ago) link
finger-pointing is there I think but that phrase feels a bit too strong. The "easy dirty harry" stuff comes alongside a real sense of justice. It's more melancholy than finger-pointing would allow, perhaps.
One other thing is that this film, probably due to accidental historical reasons, totally avoids glamorizing the killer, even as a phantom.
― ryan, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:20 (ten years ago) link