this movie captures the joy of learning about new things better than any other movie
― slam dunk, Monday, 30 September 2013 00:52 (ten years ago) link
you heard ECHOES.
ECHOES.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 September 2013 00:53 (ten years ago) link
rehashing
http://www.fandor.com/blog/daily-revisiting-oliver-stones-jfk
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 November 2013 22:34 (ten years ago) link
WHAT IS PAST IS PROLOGUE
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/tommy-lee-jones-joins-kevin-720743
I didn't get 15 minutes into The Iceman so I'm less than excited BUT STILL
― da croupier, Friday, 25 July 2014 16:31 (nine years ago) link
actually i claimed nonchalance before i read the plot I am SO excited to watch Tommy Lee Jones play a neuroscientist
― da croupier, Friday, 25 July 2014 16:32 (nine years ago) link
that sounds pretty dumb, but then "supersoldier with amnesia goes on a tear" sounded pretty dumb too
― goole, Friday, 25 July 2014 17:21 (nine years ago) link
Not that I expected Parkland to be great or anything, but I figured there'd be something in there worth the 90 minutes. Pretty bad--especially Paul Giamatti as Abraham Zapruder.
― clemenza, Friday, 12 December 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link
lousy
whatzername as Oswald's mom was best
― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 December 2014 16:43 (nine years ago) link
the trailer looked bloody awful.
― piscesx, Friday, 12 December 2014 17:37 (nine years ago) link
I happened to rewatch Stone's film a few weeks ago, and I found that the dopey piety of Costner really got in the way of all the things I like. But after watching Parkland, which was so ugly to look at, and so dreary, I again appreciated JFK's razzle-dazzle.
― clemenza, Friday, 12 December 2014 18:10 (nine years ago) link
The best JFK assassination movie: Executive Action― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, October 15, 2003
Finally saw it today... so dull
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 January 2016 19:59 (eight years ago) link
:(
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 16 January 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link
Little ass-wipe closed down the camps! Took our C-4!Took 10,000 rounds! 3,000 pounds of gunpowder!All our weapons!You want to free Cuba? Whack out the fucking beard!They got new stuff!I could show you dozens of poisons! Put it in his food, he'd die in three days.No trace!Put something in his beard, make it fall out. He'd look ridiculous...
Allen Ginsburg poem
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 January 2016 20:55 (eight years ago) link
That is so Celine-like!
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 January 2016 21:01 (eight years ago) link
when we finally get a court order to examine kennedy's brain, in the hopes of finding from which direction the bullet came, we're told by your government that the president's brain has disappeared! that's not all that's disappeared. with it, the concept of justice.
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 17 January 2016 00:56 (eight years ago) link
Ask the question, ask the question.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 23:20 (eight years ago) link
"Honey, it's incredible. The whole thing. A Lt. Colonel testifies that...Oswald had a Russian language exam as part of his Marine training...only a few months before he defects to the Soviet Union. A Russian exam."
"It's 4:30 in the morning! I have five kids who'll wake up in an hour."
― nomar, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 23:33 (eight years ago) link
goddamn, Liz, I've been asleep for three years!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 23:55 (eight years ago) link
Amazing how much of Libra shows up in the movie, down to the detail about FBI files containing photos of Oswald's pubic hay-ah!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 May 2016 00:08 (eight years ago) link
this is the only film i can think of that was actually directly responsible for getting a federal law passed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_John_F._Kennedy_Assassination_Records_Collection_Act_of_1992
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 12 May 2016 00:35 (eight years ago) link
i think what i actually enjoy most about this movie is the whole black ops/shadowy politics/vietnam/cuba shit, independent of the assassination stuff. it's pretty compelling.
― nomar, Thursday, 12 May 2016 00:54 (eight years ago) link
very very few people know about this, ok
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 May 2016 01:06 (eight years ago) link
now i knew allen dulles very well; i briefed him many a time in his house.
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 12 May 2016 01:09 (eight years ago) link
Dulles, by the way, was General Y's benefactor. I got out in '64. Resigned my commission.
― nomar, Thursday, 12 May 2016 01:11 (eight years ago) link
Kennedy's directives weren't implemented because of...
...bureaucratic resistance.
But one of the results was...
...the Cuban operation was turned over to my department...
...as Operation Mongoose.
Mongoose was pure Black Ops.
― nomar, Thursday, 12 May 2016 01:12 (eight years ago) link
poetry
this is just to say
Kennedy's directives weren't implemented because ofbureaucratic resistance. But one of the results was
the Cuban operation was turned over to my departmentas Operation Mongoose.
and whichyou were probablysavingfor breakfast
Forgive methose Black Ops were deliciousso sweetand so cold
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 May 2016 01:16 (eight years ago) link
September '63.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 May 2016 01:41 (eight years ago) link
the literally single flaw for me (presumably inserted so as not to offend god): "i can't tell you the shockwaves this sent along the corridors of power in washington". a long cliche with a stubby and redundant tail.
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 15 May 2016 01:44 (eight years ago) link
there's a circa '03 dance track where the sampled hook is "black ops...assassinations...coup d'etat...rigging elections..." and i wish i could remember what it was called because i would crank that shit right now.
― a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Sunday, 15 May 2016 01:59 (eight years ago) link
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour),
the way Sutherland throws this line away = master acting class
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 May 2016 02:03 (eight years ago) link
― a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad),
We were good. Very good.
They Didn't Save Kennedy's Brain
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 May 2016 02:26 (eight years ago) link
never would have allowed all those wide-open empty windows overlooking dealy. never!
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 15 May 2016 02:27 (eight years ago) link
every time he goes to saigon on some fuckin fact-findin mission he comes back and just scares the shit outta the president.
― a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Sunday, 15 May 2016 02:31 (eight years ago) link
A month before, in Dallas, UN Ambassador Adlai Stevenson was spit on and hit.
http://lastangryfan.com/wp-content/uploads/k-man1.gif
― nomar, Sunday, 15 May 2016 06:29 (eight years ago) link
never would've allowed that man to open an umbrella!
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 May 2016 08:42 (eight years ago) link
The generals in the smoky room is like Patriarchy's finest minute!
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 May 2016 08:44 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYmyMJ0H6DQ
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 May 2017 21:51 (seven years ago) link
I saw that a few months ago, I think. Is Sorensen in it?
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 May 2017 21:57 (seven years ago) link
hitchens and cockburn (still buddies at the time) both loathed jfk: cockburn went on to write some very funny stuff abt how all the conspiracy theories are garbage (and also how conspiracy theory is an intrinsically reactionary mindset), plus an excellent description of the type of comrade oswald actually was, a type anyone wd recognise from the marxist* subculture (a "trotskyite dweeb" who made an obsessive pest of himself in meetings, causing them to overrun and everyone secretly hating him; then suddenly there he was on TV and they were all frantically burning their address books and pretending they'd never met him)
*actually most cultures which require AGM's have someone like this, tho they don't always go on to shoot someone
― mark s, Thursday, 11 May 2017 22:10 (seven years ago) link
Well Hitchens talks about how conspiracy theorists are a kind of democrat in this.
Is Sorensen in it?
No. Salinger (former press sec) is.
Hitchens' ability to make people completely lose it on TV is in full show here. Salinger just wanted to smash his face in.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 May 2017 22:27 (seven years ago) link
democrat or Democrat?
― mark s, Thursday, 11 May 2017 22:29 (seven years ago) link
democrat as in a supporter of democracy (nothing to do w/the Democratic party)
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 May 2017 22:30 (seven years ago) link
wait, is he pro the film or just trolling?
― mark s, Thursday, 11 May 2017 22:31 (seven years ago) link
Hitchens argues his way around conspiracy theory as a viable erm activity, just doesn't like the film - mainly because it tries to show Kennedy as a white knight (and thinks the actual conspiracy depicted in jfk is bollocks)
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 May 2017 22:35 (seven years ago) link
btw I gotta say James Wolcott is so wrong on Mr.X scene. Its the best thing in the film and not too long at all.
idk enough about the Garrison summation, kinda lose interest by the time the trial starts.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 May 2017 22:41 (seven years ago) link
ah ok -- yes actually i vaguely remember him taking a less sharp line on CT in general come to think of it, viz that it was some kind of dissident counter to Very Serious Peoplethink, which is probably the start of his slippery slope tbh
(bcz cockburn was correct on this point)
― mark s, Thursday, 11 May 2017 22:42 (seven years ago) link
james wolcott is wrong about everything, it's his thing
also he's the worst writer in america
― mark s, Thursday, 11 May 2017 22:43 (seven years ago) link
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, May 15, 2016 3:03 AM (eleven months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm btw
― nomar, Thursday, 11 May 2017 22:48 (seven years ago) link