Dear Morrissey . . .

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I know, bad form to repost other comment sections, but:


PresumingOgs (17 October 2013 7:04am)

Michael, I know you're desperate to get the juicy titbits out there, but enough already. Give the book a proper read and then give us a considered review. Or, better still, get someone else to do it for you. Your mining of the index is akin to children looking up dirty words in a dictionary.



Guardian staff CasparPresumingOgs (17 October 2013 7:53am)
Relax! The considered review is coming from John Harris in due course

Mark G, Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:33 (ten years ago) link

There isn't an index, so I heard, PresumingOgs.

Defund Phil Collins (stevie), Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:42 (ten years ago) link

The jury's out

lol courtroom metaphors

In times of osterity, these Eton-educated poshboys (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:53 (ten years ago) link

Then it turns out it's nothing but obsessive journalling about his breakfasts.

― Ned Raggett

well why not

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:58 (ten years ago) link

sofia coppola is the only person i want to see direct a moz biopic

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Thursday, 17 October 2013 12:32 (ten years ago) link

Got this at lunchtime to read on a plane tomorrow. It had a whole table to itself in Waterstones that had six copies left when I got there. During the time I spent queuing, two other people bought it. No index. Slightly disappointed at the size of the text - bigger than the usual Penguin Classics font, about the same as most modern popular biographies - which means that the 457 pages isn't as much as it sounds.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 17 October 2013 13:02 (ten years ago) link

started on this at lunch, first pages were some ponderous overwritten reflections on Manchester (almost like Laura Barton were ghosting), but warmed up a bit as it went on. Did want to shout 'stop remembering tv' when he was just listing things he watched in the 60s.

woof, Thursday, 17 October 2013 13:09 (ten years ago) link

EK, I got the third-but-last one on the table at University Place Waterstone's.

Randomly opened to some surprisingly cogent stuff about 9/11.

hatcat marnell (suzy), Thursday, 17 October 2013 13:18 (ten years ago) link

He's doing a signing at Reading Waterstones, the same week Amber's doing her work experience...

Mark G, Thursday, 17 October 2013 13:20 (ten years ago) link

OK, that's a complete lie there.

Still, ....

Mark G, Thursday, 17 October 2013 13:20 (ten years ago) link

Our past comes back to haunt us.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 October 2013 13:29 (ten years ago) link

momus to play moz

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Thursday, 17 October 2013 13:34 (ten years ago) link

I was at the only place in the UK open at midnight to sell it (I had to for work). There were 18 people there at midnight for the 192 copies. Very jovial, though. And we got a free poster.

Unsettled defender (ithappens), Thursday, 17 October 2013 13:57 (ten years ago) link

Wonder what the economics are of opening your bookstore at midnight to sell 18 copies of a paperback retailing at £8.99?

gotta lol geir (NickB), Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:01 (ten years ago) link

Two-man operation, so perhpas worth it. And there was a BBC camera crew there, so maybe some publicity.

Unsettled defender (ithappens), Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:06 (ten years ago) link

And, of course, maybe some more people turned up after I went (I left as soon as I got my copy) …

Unsettled defender (ithappens), Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:06 (ten years ago) link

I'm browsing it just now. It's a decent read i think. He doesn't seem to prioritise much - every incident is dealt with in around two pages - so the effect is like having his life's contents all set up in a line, and then viewing them from a moving train.

He also appears to have dampened his very worst and most cruellest affectations, while leaving the quintessential Morrissey character traits (including middling affectations and fairly cruel character judgements). It's actually not unlike reading a particularly long classic-era l0u15 j4g9er post, and that's a compliment of sorts btw.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 17 October 2013 15:42 (ten years ago) link

okay i'm sold now

gotta lol geir (NickB), Thursday, 17 October 2013 15:45 (ten years ago) link

That's one for the back of the second printing, reviews..

Mark G, Thursday, 17 October 2013 16:00 (ten years ago) link

the bit where he discusses his relationship with Jake Walters is pretty cute, which is not an adjective I foresaw myself using about this book.

gyac, Thursday, 17 October 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49lPGmnYDw4

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link

sort of disappointed that this appears to contain forthright discussions of his romantic/sex life...? was hoping for more clever elisions and evasions tbh

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:27 (ten years ago) link

It's not really any more forthright than any of his lyrics.

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2013 13:46 (ten years ago) link

Did want to shout 'stop remembering tv' when he was just listing things he watched in the 60s.

Four and a half bloody pages worth. Morrissey veering dangerously close to Stuart MacConie territory.

not a lunch that is hot (snoball), Friday, 18 October 2013 16:02 (ten years ago) link

Then again, that's only 4.5 pages. Stuart Mac writes whole books.

Mark G, Friday, 18 October 2013 16:17 (ten years ago) link

uh, just suffered through another three pages worth of childhood telly.

not a lunch that is hot (snoball), Friday, 18 October 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link

i keep hearing this thread title in my head sung to the tune of that gin blossoms song. driving me a little crazy...

scott seward, Friday, 18 October 2013 17:33 (ten years ago) link

and meanwhile i would LOVE to read 10 pages of MOz t.v. habits!!! maybe i'm crazy.

scott seward, Friday, 18 October 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link

otm. I used to watch "Skippy The Bush Kangaroo" as well. Why then wasn't I the lead singer of The Smiths? Also, where does he stand on "Kimba The White Lion"?

Sodade Stereo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 October 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link

He doesn't stand on lions.

Mark G, Friday, 18 October 2013 19:25 (ten years ago) link

I like it a lot more when he starts remembering music instead. And remembering books. I am completely into his tributes to Auden, Stevie Smith and Robert Herrick.

woof, Friday, 18 October 2013 19:36 (ten years ago) link

"And then my world would change forever..."

http://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1275941673l/8242160.jpg

scott seward, Friday, 18 October 2013 19:48 (ten years ago) link

These are my favourite bits of autobiographies. Adolescence saved by books + music. I love his enthusiasm!

Only 15% in & I think the editor's starting to rush things a bit, 'Hillaire Belloc' repeatedly.

woof, Friday, 18 October 2013 20:52 (ten years ago) link

sort of disappointed that this appears to contain forthright discussions of his romantic/sex life...? was hoping for more clever elisions and evasions tbh

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2013/10/19/morrissey-not-homosexual-is-humasexual-instead/

fresh (crüt), Sunday, 20 October 2013 07:25 (ten years ago) link

at least sense of huma is intact

goth drama is universal (latebloomer), Sunday, 20 October 2013 08:18 (ten years ago) link

no huma, bro

The Miracle of the Jimmy Smits (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 20 October 2013 09:32 (ten years ago) link

Huma huma yay
Huma huma huma yay

kinder, Sunday, 20 October 2013 09:38 (ten years ago) link

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2vcgo3k.jpg

fresh (crüt), Sunday, 20 October 2013 09:41 (ten years ago) link

lol

fresh (crüt), Sunday, 20 October 2013 10:04 (ten years ago) link

Eh I've seen American beauty, not sure I need another story where the racist dude turns out to be gay

Tesco and Horse Dobbins 2013 (wins), Monday, 21 October 2013 12:29 (ten years ago) link

irl tee hee

ͼѾͽ (sic), Monday, 21 October 2013 13:44 (ten years ago) link

Chris Heath's is the best review of this I've seen: http://www.gq.com/entertainment/books/201310/gq-reviews-morrissey-autobiography

Sums up exactly how I felt. It's a pretty great book up until The Smiths form, and then it just becomes weird and sad.

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 10:10 (ten years ago) link

that seems about right – I still had legs for the section on The Smiths (maybe I'd have been disappointed if they mattered more to me – I like them, but I'm not one of the faithful), tho' it was a step down from the love art/hate school sections, but then… my god the trial… it goes on forever. And you think you're out, but the close reading of the judgement begins. And then the – what 100, 150-page? – repetitive tour diary is just rotten. Some nice little pen-portraits here and there, but really "The next night I played to a crowd of 5,249 adoring fans in Oslo. My audience is getting younger as I, unfairly, am getting older. I no longer care about the British press, especially not the NME, but they refuse to cover this hysteria." over and over with slight variations.

The first third or half is really really good, far better than I expected or feared after opening pages – but it goes badly wrong.

woof, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 11:11 (ten years ago) link

otoh, the tour diary is a sort of tribute to his fans, which is nice - but for a general reader, no.

woof, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 11:15 (ten years ago) link

First 150-200 pages of childhood and early youth are really great stuff.

The Smiths era is way glossed over, I was definitely interested to find how young Morrissey felt going from village misfit to indie stardom. But alas. The constant Geoff Travis bashing is hilarious, however.

The trial and legal fallout is obviously tl;dr but he does make one or two good points in the wash of whining.

Tour diary is very much for the fans. Not sure if one can really equate a concert in El Paso to prison sex but anyways.

Best revelation? He collected the money at A Certain Ratio's first gig!

The Miracle of the Jimmy Smits (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 12:23 (ten years ago) link

Also: put this in context. There's less whinging in this book than in Peter Hook's "The Haçienda: How Not To Run A Club".

The Miracle of the Jimmy Smits (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 12:29 (ten years ago) link

quick flickthrough..

Saw a bit where Mike Joyce managed to contact M via letter, post trial, etc.

The conclusion from Moz was more or less "yes, over time I may well find forgiveness, but we will never be friends again"

So, there you go..

Mark G, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 12:59 (ten years ago) link


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