here's a good (& pretty cheap) RDW deck i've been playing:
4 rakdos cackler4 burning-tree emissary4 firefist striker4 ash zealot4 chandra's phoenix4 boros reckoner4 fanatic of mogis
4 lightning strike4 magma jet3 shock
21 mountain
sideboard:1 hammer of purphoros2 skullcrack2 chandra, pyromaster3 mizzium mortars4 frostburn weird3 ratchet bomb
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 03:00 (ten years ago) link
i have no idea what's good in standard but that looks pretty solid, makes me glad that CoP: Red has been out of standard for a long time
― frogbs, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 13:25 (ten years ago) link
cider i saw you 4-0'd with that - what do you think of the (pricier) chandra red deck?
― Lamp, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link
What kind of prize support do your local shops have for events?
Had a FB complaint about the prize support for Theros Game Day on Saturday, turns out my manager didn't give out anything but a Theros game pad and some foil packs and thinks that was fine. So I'm going to have to set up a prize system for Friday Night Magic and game days, I guess, but I don't know shit about Magic.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link
for a traditional 8 man draft, mine does 6-4-3-3 packs for 1/2/3/4, the hipster wburg one I go to once in a blue moon does 8-4-2-2. those are both probably 'fair' and mirror the online draft payout, though the second one is less egalitarian and not necessarily good for morale for new players. I wish mine did store credit.
― iatee, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link
milo for a constructed tournament like game day the players should only be getting prizes if they're paying to enter the tournament. the only official prize support from wizards for game day are the promo cards and the play mat. there are a bunch of ways to organize prize structure for small shop tournaments like fnm and game day most of which involve some trade-offs, i think mostly a store just needs to have a clear, consistent policy. if your shop has a bunch of regulars for stuff like fnm i would talk to them and see sort of prize structure they're interested in
― Lamp, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 18:32 (ten years ago) link
fwiw the game day i played in was $5 to enter. all that money went into the prize pool, everyone that plays gets a promo cards, top 8 got another foil promo card. the winner got a playmat. the prize money was split btw the top 8 players not actually sure how the breakdown worked % wise but i got ~30% of the pool for splitting the finals
― Lamp, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 18:35 (ten years ago) link
the store i play at has a pretty basic setup for FNM that works well for everyone as far as i know:
standard constructed - $5 entry fee, a fixed 4 swiss rounds of play regardless of attendance, pay out store credit prizes by record to everyone with a 3-1 record or better, in a way such that you pay out most of the entry money
booster draft - $15 entry fee, form 8-man pods, draft and play 3 rounds swiss, pay out store credit $25 to 1st place and $15 to 2nd place in each draft pod
for larger events with a top 8 cut to elimination rounds like Game Day you have to improvise a bit more with the payouts but its still $5 entry per player for constructed and the prize pool is still about $5 per player
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link
cider i saw you 4-0'd with that - what do you think of the (pricier) chandra red deck?― Lamp, Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:46 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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― ciderpress, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 21:18 (ten years ago) link
2 Boros Guildgate13 Mountain2 Mutavault4 Sacred Foundry4 Temple of Triumph25 lands
4 Ash Zealot4 Boros Reckoner4 Chandra's Phoenix4 Stormbreath Dragon16 creatures
2 Chained to the Rocks3 Chandra, Pyromaster3 Lightning Strike4 Magma Jet2 Mizzium Mortars3 Shock2 Warleader's Helix19 other spells
Sideboard3 Anger of the Gods1 Assemble the Legion2 Chained to the Rocks1 Hammer of Purphoros1 Mizzium Mortars2 Pithing Needle2 Ratchet Bomb1 Shock2 Wear // Tear15 sideboard cards
ive seen versions that cut the ash zealots for even more burn which seems p good. i've been thinking about red because of all the monoblack decks that ive been playing against and i have all the cards for this except the dragons
― Lamp, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 02:36 (ten years ago) link
ok yeah i've seen that one floating around and i think ash zealot is probably bad there
i would rather play reynad's naya deck if i'm going to play a red control deck, i think it looks better than this one. either way i think you want more than 1 assemble the legion in the 75 since black can't interact with that at all
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 13:31 (ten years ago) link
Theros prices seem pretty deflated on MTGO now, any idea what to pick up? Chained to the Rock at one ticket apiece seems like a good deal...
― frogbs, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 13:55 (ten years ago) link
steam augury at 11 cents seems like a freeroll to me
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 13:58 (ten years ago) link
yeah I saw that too - I mean it's not FoF but it compares well enough that I think it'll find a home someday. actually MTGOTraders has it at 6 cents...even better
other potential good values:Anger of the Gods = $1.36 - could be a t2 staple?Chained to the Rocks - only $.70 nowFiredrinker Satyr - $.27 ...could Modern use this?Fleecemane Lion - $.81Nighthowler - $.05 - seems like it's really well costed, I always thought it was the best of the Bestow dudes
― frogbs, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:04 (ten years ago) link
also reaper of the wilds is a good card thats already seen some standard play but suffers from missing its dual land still
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:06 (ten years ago) link
i don't remember slagstorm ever being more than a couple tix so i don't know how much room anger of the gods has to grow. chained to the rocks is good but the most comparable card, detention sphere, has been <1 ticket for a long time.
firedrinker satyr is not very good but maybe should be worth more just from being a 1-drop for rdw. def not modern playable if the superior rakdos cackler doesn't cut it there. i'm not that high on lion.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:12 (ten years ago) link
oh also prophet of kruphix is awesome and should be worth something eventually even if it doesn't stick in a standard deck
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:14 (ten years ago) link
i would rather play reynad's naya deck if i'm going to play a red control deck, i think it looks better than this one
idk he has approximately 34 planeswalker cards in there for some reason none of which seem to compliment each other and the mana looks pretty terrible. fwiw i am completely willing to be wrong abt this and loxodon smiter seems like kind of a sweet card to be playing but i prefer the boros lists. there have been a couple of cleaner 4-0 lists in the last couple of days that added elspeth and i think its a deck to watch
i bought swan songs on mtgo on the chance that its an important sideboard card in eternal match-ups and its like ten cents or something. thats my speculation
― Lamp, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:22 (ten years ago) link
yeah thinking about it more i think its probably right to just play RW buti still don't like ash zealot unless you're running purphoros and/or nykthos
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:54 (ten years ago) link
i also wish there was 1 more way to go deeper into your deck other than chandra + magma jet
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 15:19 (ten years ago) link
haha me too. wish there was something of value to do w/wild guess other than run the not very good rn pyromancer
― Lamp, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 15:25 (ten years ago) link
purphomancer decks w/assemble just fold to like, everything though rn but man that feels sweet
― Lamp, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 15:26 (ten years ago) link
do any of you MTG nerds play on OCTGN?
― Mordy , Wednesday, 23 October 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link
nope
cockatrice is the current standard for free MTG-ing, as far as i know. dont know anyone who still uses OCTGN
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 19:07 (ten years ago) link
whoa
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/10212013/vintagemasters
essentially power 9 cards are coming, but they're basically as rare as foil mythics, and the set itself is gonna be double MSRP. dunno how this is going to be much different than Masters Edition
― frogbs, Thursday, 24 October 2013 01:28 (ten years ago) link
here's what i'm working on for standard now:
4 elvish mystic4 experiment one4 burning-tree emissary4 kalonian tusker2 scavenging ooze4 boon satyr4 reverent hunter4 ghor-clan rampager3 nylea, god of the hunt1 polukranos, world eater
3 domri rade
4 stomping ground4 temple of abandon2 mountain12 forest1 nykthos, shrine to nyx
sideboard:4 mistcutter hydra3 nylea's disciple1 polukranos, world eater2 flesh//blood2 time to feed2 garruk, caller of beasts1 bow of nylea
basically trying to build the best ghor-clan rampager deck since that card is way underplayed right now. blood is also awesome and should maybe just be maindeck, it's only bad vs supreme verdict decks.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link
looks like it would be fun to play. is there no room for savageborn hydra?
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 16:56 (ten years ago) link
i like arbor colossus a lot in those r/g lists
― Lamp, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 17:43 (ten years ago) link
this deck's too aggro for either of those, its not the ramp deck where you're generating a ton of mana
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 17:47 (ten years ago) link
idk if you cant play a 6/6 for 5 in yr elvish mystic deck than
― Lamp, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link
also if if you're playing 3 nyleas it seems good? i am terrible w/ r/g decks though, i could not find any success w/domri decks last season
― Lamp, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link
yeah i might try it but i want to be more compact i think. mana efficiency seems to be the key to beating the sea of mono-black attrition decks
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 17:59 (ten years ago) link
yeah monoblack is everywhere online despite it not being that good in the meta. i dont really like that deck and have been playing both u/w control decks w/prognostic sphinx and variations on r/w control to some success. i really, really like the u/w list but its not a deck that i enjoy playing esp because of the uptick in control mirrors over the last week. the r/w list is more fun but kinda loose.
― Lamp, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/silvestri-says-stats/
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 14:43 (ten years ago) link
yeah i saw that - biggest takeaway i can find so far is that sea god's revenge is incredibly overvalued, several 'bad' commons are outperforming it in this sample
― ciderpress, Friday, 1 November 2013 14:57 (ten years ago) link
or maybe not, i misinterpreted how the scoring works here, but it still seems like its worse than the good commons and good cheaper uncommons
― ciderpress, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:02 (ten years ago) link
it really depends on your deck. a fast uw deck doesn't really want it more than another heroic trigger, but for other decks it's regularly a blowout.
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:03 (ten years ago) link
also although the ordeals have a high win % they also have a high 'this is why you lost' factor when you get lightning striked
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:06 (ten years ago) link
I keep complaining to lamp about them, I think they are the biggest mistake in the format
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:07 (ten years ago) link
yeah ordeals are some of the most swingy high risk/high reward cards we've gotten in a while
― ciderpress, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:08 (ten years ago) link
also i am reasonably certain now that nimbus naiad is the best common, stats be damned
― ciderpress, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:09 (ten years ago) link
I wouldn't take it over voyage's end or lightning strike but yeah...it's really good...
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:10 (ten years ago) link
I'd take it over Voyage's End at least!
Sea God - yes it definitely seems a little overrated. My first thought was that it was almost an Uncommon Cyclonic Rift but THS is faster than RTR and doesn't have a token strategy, plus the sorcery speed really does hamper it. As good as it can be I think it fits into that category of "expensive + situational" which does not make for great limited cards.
― frogbs, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:15 (ten years ago) link
I seem to get murdered by the Ordeals over and over - turn 2 play on a Hoplite is nearly unbeatable unless you have the Voyage's End right then and there. I'm surprised that anyone would diss the Hoplite, it's a 1-drop that's revelant late game and is really hard to block.
― frogbs, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:16 (ten years ago) link
ehh come draft w/ me and give me all the voyage's ends and sea god's revenges
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:16 (ten years ago) link
yeah stupid ordeal wins are (among) the reasons why lightning strike and end are even better than normal
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:17 (ten years ago) link
I'm fully aware of the strength of Voyage's End, just that my evaluation of the 3 strongest commons are Lightning Strike/Nimbus Naiad/Voyage's End. The Naiad just does so much in this set, I think just in general I tend to value proactive cards over reactive ones. Maybe to a fault.
― frogbs, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:39 (ten years ago) link
the numbers actually push god's willing ahead of all of those
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:39 (ten years ago) link
i don't like the rescaling by CMC for cards with 1-4 CMC since its rare to be able to win a game where you don't hit 4 regardless of how many cheap spells you have
i think gods willing is the 2nd best white common but there's no way it's better than wingsteed rider.
― ciderpress, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:42 (ten years ago) link
i think satyr hedonist is the burning-tree emissary of this set. way stronger card than it looks on the surface, lots of big red mana costs that are devastating when used a couple turns earlier than you're supposed to― ciderpress, Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:40 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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