tv shows within tv shows: an ocd thread for jaymc and nabisco

Ilx turning into gotham city.

http://www.posterpalace.com/images/stills/batman66penguinS.jpg
"i suspect FOWL play at the hands of that birdbrained andtwat!"

eddie murphy in my head is inseperable from snl

Huh -- I don't have this at all! Maybe because I became old enough to notice pop culture right around the same time he was getting big in movies instead?

I would get a little jolt if they ever referred to Martin Lawrence, though, given all the Tracy stuff in the first season

also tracy morgan was on the show martin

^^ Actually technically the train of thought there also has to do with all Tracy's ridiculous fat-suit movies, which ... hahaha it's not unreasonable to figure that if Murphy didn't do that stuff, then maybe Lawrence wouldn't, then where would Tracy be

i saw your train of thought i was just adding to the ocd

Hustle Man (portrayed by comedian Tracy Morgan): This character was the neighborhood purveyor of questionable products and services "at a discount rate! I don't do dat for erra'body! I'm just tryna help YOU out!" He always greeted Martin with his trademark "What's happenin', chief?" In one episode, one of Hustle Man's more outrageous items for sale was an 'appetizing' array of roasted pigeons impaled on a tree branch (as if barbecued on it), which he attempted to sell to Martin and his friends while they were snowed in and starving. In another episode he served as Martin's cut-rate "wedding planner," armed with a shopping cart brimming with chitlin loaf, plastic flowers and a 40 of malt liquor, in retaliation for Gina's choice of a more elegant and greatly overpriced wedding planner.

Tracy Jordan's movies have run the gamut from Martin to Eddie to Cuba Gooding so at this point I think it's fair to say he's just a composite or imaginary contemporary

"Let's talk about Fat Bitch 2..."

i know, cutty -- but wait, did they trade out "Brother Man" for "Hustle Man" at some point? cause Tracy wasn't the dude from upstairs who made the bootleg "WHITTY HUTTON" t-shirts, right?

(The main conclusion I'm coming to here is that we totally need Arsenio to do a 30 Rock guest spot, possibly as the amorous club girl from Coming to America)

(some dude, I'm thinking of the jokes around running through traffic in his underwear / sleeping on someone's roof, etc. -- the "straight-up mentally ill" part is pretty Lawrency)

i think the movies were very lawrency, the stuff you just mentioned came from morgan's own antics, no?

While filming A Thin Line Between Love and Hate in the mid-1990s, Lawrence had a violent outburst on the set and began taking drugs. He became increasingly erratic and was arrested after he reportedly brandished a pistol and screamed at tourists on Ventura Boulevard in Los Angeles.

^^ the crazy-on-highway bit was a direction reference to Martin for sure

While filming A Thin Line Between Love and Hate in the mid-1990s, Lawrence had a violent outburst on the set and began taking drugs. He became increasingly erratic and was arrested after he reportedly brandished a pistol and screamed at tourists on Ventura Boulevard in Los Angeles.

his discussion of this moment in runteldat had me in tears and i don't even like dude really

we totally need Arsenio to do a 30 Rock guest spot

Hall, or Billingham?

oh right!!! he is already enmeshed in the 30 Rock fictional space

ok this is an even more inane freaks & geeks issue, but on at least commentary track, david (gruber) allen does commentary in character as mr. rosso, which is a weird conceit to start with, but several of the actors are on the same commentary track providing commentary as themselves, the actors

"i was about to do that whole run to the airport thing, like Ross did on Friends, and Liz Lemon did in real life."

^^ I assumed that at that very moment there were at least 10 other people thinking of this thread

"Our relationship is like that relationship on Friends between Greenzo and that crazy chick I was banging"

xp that line made me wonder if someone at 30 rock reads ilx

Jack on 30 Rock confessing to a priest that he once declared "I am God" in a deposition.

"Call me crazy but child actors were much better back in the 80s."
- NPH in this week's HIMYM

In the world of Curb Your Enthusiasm, who played the library cop on Seinfeld if Philip Baker Hall plays Larry's doctor?

There was an episode of X Files which was presented as a COPS style documentary about Mulder & Scully, except in the documentary, Mulder & Scully didn't behave like they usually do in the show.

does that really fall under what this thread's about?

some element of this topic's themes in the mild disquiet I felt the other day seeing Frasier echo Sideshow Bob in singing Gilbert and Sullivan, yes?

there's a scene in Date Night where the 2 main characters are in a restaurant, and will.i.am is sitting at the next table and they're all "oh wow it's will.i.am let's take a picture!" and a minute later, Common, whose 2007 single "I Want You" was produced was will.i.am, walks up to the table, but he's not playing himself, he's playing a corrupt cop who tries to kill the main characters.

you know, if 'i want you' was playing on the soundtrack at that moment, some kind of logistical black hole might have opened up. [love that song btw]

in community there's one scene where abed hits on alison brie in a "don draper" style

yup, and then two or whatever weeks ago, in the season premier, talk soup told him "life isn't a tv show"

uh like 90% of all dialogue between those 2 characters is meta jokes about one comparing their lives to TV shows

Just watching the modern-day "Sherlock" show, and struck by the fact that these characters live in 2010 and yet would have never heard of the character Sherlock Holmes.

yeah I got a bit distracted by thinking that no-one can say 'no shit sherlock', unless they are actually talking to Cumberbatch. Holmes is a giant hole in the universe - everything from the decoration of Baker Street Tube to what a comic stereotype detective looks like (deerstalker, inverness). Can't remember - does any of this get mentioned? Seems like the sort of thing that Moffatt would enjoy messing with as a throwaway.

pretty sure it's just a plain ol' alternate universe identical to ours except there was never a conan-doyle holmes.

"wow, good catch. you're a regular.. uh, a regular... poirot"

right, I was thinking their stereotype detective signifiers would be Belgian accent, moustache.

Over at tvtropes.com, they have a whole article devoted to this phenomenon with loads of examples:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CelebrityParadox

Haha wow:

In a recent and amusing example, actress Jeri Ryan divorced her husband to play Seven of Nine on Star Trek Voyager (he refused to move to Hollywood with her). The divorce was contentious, and a lot of salacious dirt was spilled. When Jack Ryan ran for the U.S. Senate in 2004, the release of the documents forced him to withdraw, allowing his challenger to win in a landslide against a last-ditch replacement. The landslide victory propelled the challenger, Barack Obama, to a position from which he could then launch a campaign for President, and... well, you know the rest. But it probably goes differently in Voyager's historical database.

wait didn't nabisco

best TV show with a TV show = The Magic Rabbits on Brookside (RIP)

this is perhaps not bang-on wrt this thread but i tried watching WILD PALMS again recently and the meta-in-retrospect intensity was cranking up the virtual reality techno tv brainwashing vibe so much it was quite hard to withstand.

if you don't recall the first episode: jim belushi plays the main guy, his wife is her out of desperate housewives, his son is the child ben savage from boy meets world. one morning a sexy old flame (samantha from sex and the city duh) turns up at his office unannounced. in the afternoon he discuss this over lunch at a restaurant with warden leo glynn from oz, and their table is served by his inmate beecher. etc etc etc! william gibson shows up later of course - as himself.

best TV show with a TV show = T&A in the Morning on Community or The Girlie Show on 30 Rock or The Larry Sanders Show... imo.

Or early Itchy & Scratchy.

If you were given the power to travel through time and Set Right What Once Went Wrong, what would you do to prevent the atrocities of the past? Well, for many, the answer is obvious: kill Adolf Hitler. This would prevent World War II, the Holocaust, and their myriad side-effects... right?

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work that way.

First of all, it often proves near-impossible to kill the man in the first place — if you try to circumvent his security by targeting him before his rise to power begins, it will usually turn out to be ludicrously difficult simply to find him. (Oddly, few writers think of killing him while he was in the very dangerous position of messenger during World War I, when military records clearly state when and where he served and no one would have blinked an eye had he gotten shot during a run. Second, even if you do manage to kill him, something even worse will appear in his place; an even smarter and crueler leader who ''wins'' the war for the Axis, or an individual killed in battle who grows up to terrorize the world. If someone actually does stop Hitler, they'll almost always have to "undo" it to prevent this. And of course worst of all, if you manage to kill Hitler with no backfire, millions will be saved and the second world war will be averted. This will mean that you will have no reason to go back in time and kill Hitler, which means you won't, which means Hitler will live, which means that millions will die in the world war and extermination camps, this means that you will go back in time and kill Hitler...

MIND = BLOWN

if you manage to kill Hitler with no backfire, millions will be saved and the second world war will be averted. This will mean that you will have no reason to go back in time and kill Hitler, which means you won't, which means Hitler will live

Hitler will live, in a timeline in which Hitler is killed? I know time travel is tricky but c'mon.

the timeline where you decide to go back in time to kill hitler becomes "dead" the moment you actually kill him. it never ended up happening, because hitler then didn't need to be killed - he was already killed (by you). you would have never thought of it. therefore, logically, that means you didn't go back in time to kill him. therefore he lives. therefore you DO actually go back in time. etc. I believe this is also known as the "grandfather paradox" i.e. what if you went back in time and killed your own grandfather.

this website is sending me crazy and i cannot stop reading it.

xp it's all about multiverses, man

According to Word Of God, Saturday Night Live does not exist in the world of 30 Rock for this reason. Tina Fey has said that making reference to Eddie Murphy is about the closest the show could ever come to acknowledging the existence of SNL.

* In one episode, Liz and Tracy argue about Wayne Brady. A few episodes later, Wayne Brady appeared on the show as a character.
* In an early episode, Jack mentions watching Friends and asks about Ross and Rachel. Both David Schwimmer ("Ross") and Jennifer Aniston ("Rachel") later guest starred. And in an episode after Aniston's appearance, Jenna mentioned her (the actress, not the character).
* Not to mention the fact that Alec Baldwin once guest starred in an episode of Friends as an almost fourth wall breaking character. Constantly commenting on the characters almost as if he watched them on TV...