this movie was pretty awesome
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link
yeah it was supposed to do comfortable box office and fade through Xmas and instead it actually got MORE popular with each week.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
Josh Gad has now starred in a blockbuster animated feature, a Broadway hit, a primetime sitcom, and has been a Daily Show correspondent. and I've never heard of anybody liking him the slightest bit.
― some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link
him & clark duke seem to have had disproportionate success
― Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:59 (ten years ago) link
maybe "Jonah Hill is too busy/too expensive to do this" is an extremely fertile niche to occupy right now
― some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:01 (ten years ago) link
plus Jonah Hill plays a Disney sidekick in WOWS.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link
clark duke sorta makes me irrationally angry. hes just this bland fuckin lump of shit
― Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link
i first knew josh gad from that one episode of party down, but admittedly i can't remember if he was good in it.
― reddening, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link
gad's good in this though. if you've been exposed to enough of these movie sidekicks that are basically Animated Hitlers, you really appreciate how un-shitty Olaf The fucktard Snowman actually is
― Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:05 (ten years ago) link
Charlie Saxton is outchea waiting for any roles Hill, Gad, and Duke all turned down too
― some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:09 (ten years ago) link
don't forget Josh Gad's role as Steve Wozniak in JOBS!
― jaymc, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:32 (ten years ago) link
this movie made a metric fuckton of money. was also one of the 2 films in the top 10 grossing of 2013 that wasnt a remake or sequel. (gravity is the other)
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:36 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I liked this very much, although I felt like they didn't spend any time setting up the "SURPRISE VILLAIN". My son disagreed with me though and pretty much could tell that SURPRISE VILLAIN was a villain from the start.
― how's life, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:37 (ten years ago) link
i could too. his lips were too thin or something.
i saw this in french by the way!!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 January 2014 23:27 (ten years ago) link
how was it
― Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 11 January 2014 23:41 (ten years ago) link
i was surprised by the surprise villain and thought it was a cool twistaroo, the only visual cue i can think of that hinted at it is that he has sideburns
― Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 11 January 2014 23:42 (ten years ago) link
it was good in french. it was nice not knowing who was doing the voices.
when the ice-cutters were singing at the beginning i was sort of imagining that the whole thing was taking place in northern quebec or something
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 12 January 2014 01:26 (ten years ago) link
(spoilers for the SECRET VILLAIN)
when i saw this the first time, i thought it was super-weird but kinda interesting that anna was basically experiencing two different kinds of disney love stories simultaneously: "love at first sight" and "this shared journey will bring us closer together and we'll fall in love." i was wondering how the hell they were going to have her deal with it; making one of the guys a secret sociopath felt like a cheap way to resolve things, particularly when there was a scene early on where the secret sociopath looks adoringly at anna when no one else is around to observe his private actions.
then again someone on metafilter said it was a great plot device because it teaches young girls to never trust a man they've just met because he might be a secret sociopath.
― reddening, Sunday, 12 January 2014 02:06 (ten years ago) link
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:26 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
i actually didnt recognize anyone's voices, which was really refreshing
― Hungry4Ass, Sunday, 12 January 2014 02:37 (ten years ago) link
XP: yeah, that was my experience as well. When I.saw that dichotomy set up, I was expecting it to lead to a more mature resolution.
― how's life, Sunday, 12 January 2014 10:08 (ten years ago) link
This is my favorite movie of 2013. Felt it worked in every way, as a work addressing the Disney formula filmmaking-wise and politically, as a musical with great numbers, as a story on its own, the characters were captivating and unpredictable, the sidekick was not annoying but contributed positively to the humor and warmth of the story. Genuinely feels like the perfect Disney film. The villain twist: Why does it need to set up the surprise villain if he's a surprise villain? When we don't follow him along every step. She didn't get to know him and thought he was worth marrying - we didn't get to know him and thought he was marriage material, and then when we do get to know him - surprise, he's an asshole. Some people are, that's what I got out of it, and to be sure that's true.
Ideologically speaking, unlike Brave, where the female character is predictably the victim of a plot where that's something she has to defend herself again, work out, not just a character on her own, Frozen is not about her being female, it just follows naturally the relationship between two women, and some male side characters. There's no visible 'struggle' with subverting the limited Disney princess role.
Above all Frozen shows us how necessary it is to have a Disney in form to get big old musicals at their best in cinemas. There are no other films like this in 2013 or any year and when they've worked out their kinks like this the future should be bright. Jennifer Lee is one to watch, anyway.
― abcfsk, Sunday, 12 January 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link
Those moments when Elsa hurt Anna (physically) and was close to killing off her and some soldiers were wonderfully tense without being too loud about it, thrilling in that you weren't exactly sure what to make of her as a character (a good thing) and what it would to do her, what she would do to others, and of course the swagger of the Let It Go sequence, a character expressing the thrill of being something special and alone and not only gloom and emo over it. So many COOL moments animations-wise as she established her snow kingdom.
― abcfsk, Sunday, 12 January 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link
but what about those horrendous songs?
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 January 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link
I did guess the 'surprise' ending, or at least what it entailed...
Not because I'm so brainy, there was a massive clue about 30 mins before the end.
― Mark G, Sunday, 12 January 2014 22:35 (ten years ago) link
http://everythingwrongwithfrozen.tumblr.com/
recommended reading
― reddening, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 10:08 (ten years ago) link
shit. I hadn't even thought of it that way.
― how's life, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 10:21 (ten years ago) link
#I'm going to turn into a cat I'm so mad
― some dude, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 11:33 (ten years ago) link
So I guess this movie is a giant hit? Makes sense. Not only has there been little animated competition this season, but the weather has driven a lot of people indoors (I wonder if movie tickets in general are currently up?). Also, apparently this movie has really connected with tweens.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 25 January 2014 15:01 (ten years ago) link
liked it. nowhere near as much as abcfsk, but still, like is like. agree that many (most) of the songs are horrendous, but "let it go" is good enough to make up for a lot of that. and the filmmakers were kind enough to keep most of them quite short. also like that the movie passes the bechdel test on an integral level, not just in terms of its dialogue. the romance stories were given a fair bit of screen time, but everything hinges on the relationship between the sisters.
― thuggish ruggish brony (contenderizer), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 08:07 (ten years ago) link
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/10/christian-radio-host-disneys-frozen-is-satanic-tool-for-indoctrinating-young-lesbians/
― A Perfect Ratio of Choogle to Jam (Dan Peterson), Monday, 17 March 2014 13:59 (ten years ago) link
Blows my mind what a sensation this mundane movie has become. It's basically just a bunch of trudging up and down a mountain in the snow, broken up by the filler of perfunctory (and mostly passive) villains and a talking snowman. I've challenged many a teen or pre-teen to tell me what the movie is about. Not what happens, but what's it about, and generally they're at a loss. Yeah, it's about "sisters," but the conflict is pretty weird. She's angry she hurts her sister - and she does seriously hurt her sister - so she shuts herself off, because she loves her sister so much she doesn't want to hurt her again. Her little sister is ignorant of this and doesn't know why her big sister is so ... cold. So her big sister freaks out, runs away, builds a fortress of solitude guarded by an ice monster (and inadvertently gives life to snow man), then makes everything in this already wintery hamlet more wintery (she can control her powers enough to do the former but not undo the latter). Then she ... chills out, realizes, wait, she does love her sister (was there ever any doubt?), which ... thaws her heart. And all is good. I liked "Enchanted" a lot more.
My daughters asked me to come up with a few sequels, so here's what I spitballed:
Frozen 2: Anna and Ilsa open an ice cream parlor, but they lack the business savvy to go big. A mysterious stranger arrives in town and convinces Ilsa to work with him. He instead enslaves her and steals her powers, thus cornering the ice cream market, and Anna (and later Ilsa, after she escapes) must figure out how to stop him *without* magic. They succeed, and the movie ends with all well and Ilsa powerless ... or so we think, as she gives a frosty wink after the credits roll. Which sets us up for:
Frozen 3: Love Means Never Having to Say You're Thawy: Ilsa is still keeping her powers a secret when a heat wave hits their wintery hamlet and puts an end to their flourishing ice trade. Ilsa tries to cool things down but finds out she really is powerless and unable to help. What gives? So she and her sister must go on a quest together to the heart of elf country and find out what happened. It turns out there was a prince (!) who was similarly cursed, only with heat powers. Ilsa and Anna must stop him, they succeed, and then Ilsa marries him in an elaborate fire and ice ceremony.
Frozen 4: This one is just Anna and the snowman, and probably the guy with the reindeer, too. They're out exploring when some freak accident frees a bunch of mean frozen dinosaurs and wooly mammoths and stuff, which rampage through the town until they're stopped. (The original team has nothing to do with this installment, which is designed for the straight to video market.)
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 March 2014 14:19 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, it's about "sisters," but the conflict is pretty weird. She's angry she hurts her sister - and she does seriously hurt her sister - so she shuts herself off, because she loves her sister so much she doesn't want to hurt her again. Her little sister is ignorant of this and doesn't know why her big sister is so ... cold. So her big sister freaks out, runs away, builds a fortress of solitude guarded by an ice monster (and inadvertently gives life to snow man), then makes everything in this already wintery hamlet more wintery (she can control her powers enough to do the former but not undo the latter).
Never realized the emotional realities of Scandinavians would enchant the world to the tune of $1 billion.
― Eric H., Monday, 17 March 2014 14:22 (ten years ago) link
That's reductionist bullshit - every movie can be summed up by seemingly mundane ingredients.
― abcfsk, Monday, 17 March 2014 14:44 (ten years ago) link
Well, yeah. But this one in particular I didn't feel like there was enough story to support its running time (not that it was imposing or anything). Like, the innate conflict seemed pretty easy to resolve, and a lot of the other stuff seemed peripheral or perfunctory, like the loss of the parents (natch), the mustache twirling bad guy, the snow monster, the gnomes, the snowman. They felt like placeholders to me, insubstantial subs for real villains or conflicts. Even the quest, as such, of the younger sister entailed walking up a hill to talk to her grouchy sister. It was fine, but I felt no thematic/narrative through-line, just ... stuff happening.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 March 2014 14:51 (ten years ago) link
I'll have to ask my 5 year old a little more what he thought it's about. I think he mostly liked the snowman and the reindeer, and there was just enough "super powers" stuff. He dug how Elsa created the snow castle.
― A Perfect Ratio of Choogle to Jam (Dan Peterson), Monday, 17 March 2014 14:52 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, that's what I mean. There's a lot to like and enjoy, but the sum is less than its parts.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 March 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2hJYS6XNiw
― how's life, Monday, 24 March 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link
I can relate.
― Eric H., Monday, 24 March 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link
I finally saw this and I loved it
The whole 'do you wanna build a snowman' thing reminded me a lot of growing up with my younger sister, who always wanted to play and I always wanted her to leave me alone
idk
I'm a sap but I loved the music, dug the story, enjoyed that the true love's kiss came from the sister and not the dude. the twist was a bit forced but overall I really really enjoyed it
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 18 April 2014 18:51 (ten years ago) link
oh and I really loved Kristen Bell as Anna, singing and speaking
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 18 April 2014 18:53 (ten years ago) link
every time i see images from this movie i can't get over how terrible the character modeling for the snowman is. it looks like it came from this:http://axxomovies.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Sir-Billi-2012-Movie-Poster.jpg
― slam dunk, Friday, 18 April 2014 20:20 (ten years ago) link
I really enjoyed Frozen, but not as much as Tangled and Wreck It Ralph, and I'm intrigued how it's become such a massive, record-busting success in comparison. I guess part of the reason was that Tangled came after a series of relative flops (though the Amy Adams live-action crossover thing did pretty well IIRC), and part of Frozen's success can be traced back to Disney being "rehabilitated" in people's eyes by it and WiR?
― Duane Barry, Friday, 18 April 2014 20:45 (ten years ago) link
every kid wants to sing the songs
― IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Friday, 18 April 2014 20:46 (ten years ago) link
girls
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 April 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link
is the real answer
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 April 2014 20:51 (ten years ago) link
My five year old son is obsessed, but his best friends/playmates are girls, so maybe.
― A Perfect Ratio of Choogle to Jam (Dan Peterson), Friday, 18 April 2014 20:53 (ten years ago) link
hey I bought the soundtrack as soon as I heard it so... um yeah what shakey said
GIRLS! :D
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 18 April 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link
stay@home mommy bloggers?
― IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Friday, 18 April 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
Lool, Sir Billi is a huge standing joke in my household
― kinder, Friday, 18 April 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
Just need to register how bad this was on the relevant thread
― recommend me a new bagman (darraghmac), Friday, 18 April 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
Josh, did you see Toy Story 4, which actually did win Best Animated Feature Film? (I haven’t yet)
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:27 (four years ago) link
I did! I recall thinking it was okay, same with part 3. but to me toy story 2 is the best one.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:29 (four years ago) link
Man, you want tears? I just got back from my daughter's middle school performance of songs from Frozen and Moana, supporting kids with special needs, and it's remarkable seeing how much this music moves and means to kids.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:59 (four years ago) link
Dang... I can imagine.
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link
Next movie should be a back to basics move
Let's get back to the sound of two sisters, an iceman and his reindeer, and an anthropomorphic snowman in a room playing
This movie was fine, someone upthread best described it as the quality of a direct-to-video sequel. "Lost in the Woods" was the one song I'll take away from this, and that song felt the least well integrated into the movie
― Vinnie, Sunday, 23 February 2020 00:32 (four years ago) link
Way too much snowman
Nordic Jar-Jar
― Boot edge edgelord (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 23 February 2020 00:50 (four years ago) link
When he's so annoying that even the other characters hope he falls asleep, that's sort of a own goal.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 February 2020 01:06 (four years ago) link
I liked the sequel more than the first one *runs away*
― Nhex, Sunday, 23 February 2020 01:32 (four years ago) link
^me too
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Sunday, 23 February 2020 01:33 (four years ago) link
No, that's fair. I didn't think this one was terrible any more than I thought the first one was particularly good. They are both fine. This one is just a lot more muddled and therefore brings more attention to its faults, imo.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 February 2020 01:34 (four years ago) link
I love the artwork in the Little Golden Book adaptation (I’m a real Frozen Bro, lol)https://i.imgur.com/wfu1BRX_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Sunday, 23 February 2020 02:42 (four years ago) link
Over the holidays, when I didn't have a lot else to think about, I spent time browsing fan Instagram accts. devoted to "Frozen," and found ppl who had already seen the new film seven times. I can sort of relate to that level of obsession (even though I couldn't personally match it).
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Sunday, 23 February 2020 02:48 (four years ago) link
wait, that's not how it happenend in the movie. she totally tamed that sea stallion, as is the dream of every girl
― Nhex, Sunday, 23 February 2020 03:01 (four years ago) link
this one was fine but too beholden to the first movie to really do anything all that greatbut i was also annoyed!where the *fuck* did all that water from the dam go ELSAwhat is that stupid cutesy fire lizard? and how come elsa gets to be special all over again? SHE DONE ALREADY DONE HAD HERSES
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:39 (four years ago) link
i really loved it, it is not quite the queer feminist pagan fantasy that i pretend it is but i still pretend that it is. we saw it at the cinema and will probably watch it again this afternoon
― marcos, Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:18 (four years ago) link
“Lost in the Woods” would make a great karaoke cut
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:26 (four years ago) link
yeah it’s like a lost Peter Cetera song, it’s really good
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:15 (four years ago) link
"You're the Inspiration" vibes a-plenty
― Nhex, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:41 (four years ago) link
Except more of a boring Broadway pastiche version of that, imo.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:53 (four years ago) link
both things exist on the highest equal plane for some people, e.g. Jim Pardo
― latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 15 March 2020 17:10 (four years ago) link
^hey, I’m a huge Pardo fan!(I’m sure y’all are aware this is now available on D+, several months early)
― Panic! At The Costco (morrisp), Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:21 (four years ago) link
Today I had to fast-forward to where my kids had been in the movie (after Disney+ fritzed out); I was like, “...was it after she meets the Nokk?,” and my wife was all, “How the f do you know what the horse is called?”
― morrisp, Monday, 23 March 2020 01:02 (four years ago) link
My daughter made this today. Dunno if this will work ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi58fwClSzA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0S8oB3FgLbtYW5HO1XvfrHdolTilxtbBl2U8vlQoEZv7xEOCmFios6jIM
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 March 2020 03:16 (four years ago) link
No.
Yeah it worked. Cool!
― morrisp, Monday, 23 March 2020 05:44 (four years ago) link
How did it work for you? Are you able to access the link at least? I just see an error note. Anyway, here is the link, which needs to be de-quoted::
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi58fwClSzA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1wJFSS3ver2R2DipEUfLDIri1JFTQKSSqLD7acZo8FsPpOJtA126CGVGI"
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 March 2020 14:31 (four years ago) link
Or not. Dammit!
I still can't see it.
― ☮️ (peace, man), Monday, 23 March 2020 14:49 (four years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=Yi58fwClSzA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1wJFSS3ver2R2DipEUfLDIri1JFTQKSSqLD7acZo8FsPpOJtA126CGVGI
OK, I assume just reconnect the two halves of that link.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 March 2020 15:33 (four years ago) link
I had just clicked on the original link in my web browser…
― morrisp, Monday, 23 March 2020 17:00 (four years ago) link
very cute, especially her Sven impression.
― ☮️ (peace, man), Monday, 23 March 2020 18:53 (four years ago) link
so cute! thumbs up on moose and snowman
― Nhex, Monday, 23 March 2020 19:43 (four years ago) link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CABP91pHgck/
― Inadequate grass (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 05:53 (four years ago) link
🤘
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 06:47 (four years ago) link
There's another new(-ish) Olaf retcon short on Disney+, called "Once Upon a Snowman." It's cute, but I only accept the Chris Buck / Jennifer Lee productions as Frozen canon.
― good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 02:33 (three years ago) link
It's so f'd up that Anna leaves Hans in charge (when Elsa flees) - they presumably have a palace full of lifelong advisors, one of them really should have put the kibosh on that.
― r u rolling pop 2021 (morrisp), Sunday, 4 July 2021 19:50 (three years ago) link