Quentin Tarantino's "The Hateful Eight"

god, hes getting repetitive. all for him a trilogy and all that, but not when they seem to be the exact same film 3 times in a row.

seriously wanted him to do a revenge western from the POV of first nations people. but maybe that wouldnt fit QT's 'cool' shtick enough.

lol you dont even know what its gonna be about dude

about his video collection.

this would be a good title for a boxed set of his post-Jackie Brown work tho

lol you dont even know what its gonna be about

About an hour too long.

lol you dont even know what its gonna be about dude

i saw 'tarantino' and 'western' and i could see it already lol

i bought my ticket already, who's got the popcorn

no popcorn, but i have some poopcorn

all that hate, and still it will be a long, endless thread

QT ain't perfect but geez

yeah jeez is right

his last film was probably his least (excepting his contributions to death proof and four rooms) but the one before it was one of his best. i wouldn't place any bets on the next one.

it is true that his points of cinematic reference have seemed to... narrow in recent years. his tastes were pretty expansive, but he seems increasingly hung up on '70s hollywood (and to a lesser extent european) genre/exploitation (see his 2012 sight&sound poll entry for confirmation).

I was really disappointed with Django, but IB is his best so who knows

Like this cunt's ever made a film that isn't a playing of the numbers

― Flame Out at Jagbans (imago), Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:03 PM (2 days ago)

This time, the number is eight

a retro western from a shithead who "hates" John Ford

http://www.filmcomment.com/article/intolerance-quentin-tarantino-john-ford

yeah, i remember that. unforgivably dense on QT's part.

I get where hes coming from. im not mad at him

Buh?:

Learning today that his script The Hateful Eight leaked after he gave it to a small circle of actors, Quentin Tarantino tells me that he’s so upset that he has decided that he will not direct that film next. So basically that means the conversation that will be circulating around town following this story with Tarantino goes from an ensemble Western to a whodunit. As in, which actor or their reps leaked the script that, as a result, is going on the shelf — literally a bookstore shelf, because Tarantino tells me he will publish it first and maybe revisit the prospect of a movie in the next five years.

“I’m very, very depressed,” Tarantino said. “I finished a script, a first draft, and I didn’t mean to shoot it until next winter, a year from now. I gave it to six people, and apparently it’s gotten out today.” He learned that when his longtime agent Mike Simpson began getting phone calls from agents looking to pitch their clients for roles in the ensemble Western.

So who could have done this? “I gave it to one of the producers on Django Unchained, Reggie Hudlin, and he let an agent come to his house and read it,” Tarantino said. “That’s a betrayal, but not crippling because the agent didn’t end up with the script. There is an ugly maliciousness to the rest of it. I gave it to three actors: Michael Madsen, Bruce Dern, Tim Roth. The one I know didn’t do this is Tim Roth. One of the others let their agent read it, and that agent has now passed it on to everyone in Hollywood. I don’t know how these fucking agents work, but I’m not making this next. I’m going to publish it, and that’s it for now. I give it out to six people, and if I can’t trust them to that degree, then I have no desire to make it. I’ll publish it. I’m done. I’ll move on to the next thing. I’ve got 10 more where that came from.”

Tarantino told me he suspects the dispersal came from CAA, which reps Dern. I spoke to someone inside CAA I trust, and they vehemently denied they could have been the source. They noted that a problem is that Tarantino possibly dispersed the script himself, without a watermark that usually prevents someone from secretly dispersing the screenplay. Because of that, this is an unsolvable breach. It would be difficult to prove anyway, because if an agent asked an assistant to copy a script, and that assistant shared it with peers at other agencies, and it suddenly found its way to a blogger, the agent would not even know they’d unwittingly put the screenplay into circulation.

Yeah, not buying this.

Durant is gonna beat Kobe's 81 this season

WRONG THREAD

durant leaked tarantino's script.

durant gonna murder more than 81 people in quentin tarantino's the hateful eight

cast Nate the Great© in the Hateful Eight©.

haa

I gave it to three actors: Michael Madsen, Bruce Dern, Tim Roth. The one I know didn’t do this is Tim Roth. One of the others let their agent read it, and that agent has now passed it on to everyone in Hollywood."

Joe Cabot: That lump of shit's working for the LAPD... He was the only one I wasn't a hundred percent on. I should have my fucking head examined going in when I wasn't a hundred percent sure.
Mr. White: That's your proof?!

Yeah, not buying this.

....which?

Durant is gonna beat Kobe's 81 this season

― Spottie, Tuesday, January 21, 2014

Wrong thread, yes, and yet... a more interesting topic than the one under discussion. Given KD's usual MO, I'd lay 10-1 odds against this happening. He just isn't selfish enough to post an 80+ box score.

....which?

A lot of it, if not all!

wasn't the Django script knocking around online way before the film came out too? or is that somehow.. different to what's happened here?

A lot of major property scripts leak these days.

Who reads the first draft of a script online? Fucking nerds.

Who is the biggest fucking nerd? Quentin tarantino. Open and shut.

why does he care so much that his script got out jeez

no one want to read yr stupid paper words

yeah, I get where he's coming from on John Ford. Ahistorical dumbass ignorance.

http://defamer.gawker.com/here-are-plot-details-from-quentin-tarantinos-leaked-1507675261

T suing Gawker! sure is keeping this dead horse hitched to his mansion...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/quentin-tarantino-suing-gawker-leaked-674424

I read it, it's textbook QT. Anyone want to guess how it ends?

toe fucking?

lol

Hitler cuts Uma's toe off

Live read-through in L.A. last night:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/todd-mccarthy-tarantinos-hateful-eight-697739

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/inside-tarantinos-hateful-eight-reading-697740

this movie shd be called "the hateful eightful" imo

this sounds a lot more interesting than Django imho

Poster, as published in Empire

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4835964/hateful-iimage-7-30.jpg

all I can say is I hope this is better than the last one, but I'm a little doubtful.

yeah i thought attempting a western exposed his limitations more than anything he'd done before.

my suspicion is that losing Sally Menke is what really exposed his limitations

Maybe he'll get it in under 1:45 like Death Proof?

strong strong agreement on loss of menke. it also hurts that his dialogue isn't nearly as strong as it used to be but he still relishes it like it is.

otm

http://deadline.com/2014/11/quentin-tarantino-retirement-hateful-eight-international-release-1201280583/

Flanked by Harvey Weinstein and cast members Walton Goggins, Samuel L. Jackson, Kurt Russell and Jennifer Jason Leigh, Tarantino stoked the fires by regaling prospective offshore distributors with his grand plans.

XP second watch of H8 is very rewarding. Totally different movie

:D

this movie is as empty as a drum

"captain of the last nuclear-armed submarine on earth" sounds like catnip to me, i'm a sucker for all things submarine

Oh man Last Resort is amazing you have to, have to watch it

Great credits sequence, pure garbage thereafter

sold!

Last Resort is a 1 season idea with a dollar store Kurt Russell, El Tomboto you need to come up with a sliding scale for "amazing"

let's continue the thread & never talk about Last Resort itt again

i just watched the trailer and it has subs in it so it owns qed i will brook no disagreement

dude i watched it, tombot is high

(ok look tbh it was p cool)

So I'm the biggest Hateful Eight fan here?

Maybe I should see Django.

I honestly can't remember which I liked less, but I want to say Django.

I half-liked this but also felt every goddamn minute of its 3 hours. It might be a different movie on rewatch but I can't see myself ever sitting through it again.

Nobody's impressed with Tarantino like Tarantino is, and I'd say the whiff of that goes back to Kill Bill Vol. 2 and continues through everything after.

So I'm the biggest Hateful Eight fan here?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, 26. august 2017 12:58 (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I liked it very much as well, though I haven't watched since the premiere. I love the opening music, and I've written repeatedly about how much I love There Won't Be Many Coming Home at the end. I like it as a coda to his revenge films, where it's really just, well, hateful.

I honestly can't remember which I liked less, but I want to say Django.

Django is his worst film by a distance so great it would take the running time of Django to traverse it

I don't see how anyone could rate H8 over Django.

otm

They think it's a better movie

Then they assign it a higher scoring of whatever type based on that subjective opinion

Django pisses all over H8. Django and his horse piss all over it!

Then Trump sidles alongside H8 for some of that shower.

Sorry -- I just think H8 is awful.

Don't understand the hate at all, but then I'm not that big on other Tarantino films (his early films are generally great but they're not favourites because I'm not interested in the setting I guess) so Hateful Eight was a delightful surprise for me.

Also don't get it how some people who like his films can't stand hearing him talk, but I think he's a great talker. Hearing him joyfully talk about leaving highschool was awesome (I really hate hearing people say they miss school).

I like hearing him talk. I like his rambles/rants. I like all of his movies, from Dogs to Pulp to Jackie to Death to both Kill Bills to Basterds. I like (more or less) from Dusk til Dawn, I like Crimson Tide, I like (more or less) True Romance. But I really didn't like Django and mostly didn't like Hateful Eight (and I love westerns). Mostly on those last two movies, it's the scripts I think that suck, which is something, coming from a person best known as a writer. Visually, I think the guy knows how to make a movie. But write? Django and Hateful are crappy scripts, so I don't know what's up with that. It's like JK Rowling's crap script for the Fantastic Beasts movie: who is going to tell her to rewrite it?

Otm, they have big, basic story problems

He also lost his longtime editor who I think was crucial in helping shape his pre-Django films.

Yes definitely

i didn't know about his involvement w crimson tide!

Django was terrible, his worst film. Hateful Eight was ok, but I don't have much desire to sit through it again. It was basically Reservoir Dogs turned into a Western, minus lots of necessary editing.

was the "she started letting dogs in" line supposed to be some mega-hilarious zing?

finally saw this.

well it had some aspects that were exceptionally good. The haberdashery was an outstanding setting, really well-realized and easily understandable in terms of where anyone was at any given moment. i was surprised that ultimately Walton Goggins had a role that was almost a co-lead, but he certainly deserved the chance and really pulled it off. i get what Tarantino was trying w/Jennifer Jason Leigh's role so I wasn't bothered by the treatment she received and the fact that she was great certainly helped (only breaking character vv slightly when Kurt Russell inadvertently destroyed that 140+ year old guitar in the scene vs the stunt guitar he was supposed to wreck). Everyone else was good, to varying degrees. I appreciated the homages to The Thing. And the weird homages to Inglourious Basterds were ok too (though I guess a Hicox being in both isn't an homage as much as it is Tarantino doing the "shared universe" thing for himself). The poisoning scene is good. The ending is good.

let's see...the rape scene is dire. SLJ's interrogation of Bichir sucks. in the scene immediately following Tatum shooting his nuts off from the basement, SLJ is curiously really chill about the whole thing. Actually SLJ just generally gives maybe the worst performance here in terms of frequently falling back on his tics and not being a character. Not that there weren't tics from the other actors as well, but they played better in the roles due to being more subtle. SLJ was fine here in some instances when he was low-key, conversational, etc. But much of the time he was pretty bad. I didn't necessarily like the flashback either, it just seemed like a very lazy explanation for what occurred and seemed like unnecessary padding. The scene didn't have much tension (it felt like perhaps he was trying to create some much like he did in the much superior tavern scene in IB but it didn't work except as a showcase for a massacre and even as that it didn't really do much).

ultimately it just had some egregiously bad bits weighing down what was ultimately otherwise a pretty decent Agatha Christie mystery western. Lower tier Tarantino, obv. Maybe he should just stay away from westerns.

second watch i found worked completely differently once the agatha mistrie isnt pulling the viewer left and right

all fair comment tho

I finally saw this - the Extended Version! The build-up was interminable. The repartee not nearly so clever as to justify the length. A couple of slightly amusing jokes (coffee, Domergue mispronunciation).

All characters were cardboard cutouts - they should have used name tag balloons like in IB. The payoff was decent, bloody fun, but for a movie trying at Agatha Christie locked room it was utterly lacking in suspense (deus ex Channing didn't do it for me). Like a lot of Tarantino an enjoyably bad genre film.

yeah i think a fundamental miscalculation that QT arrived at (& one of the reasons i got off-board) is that simply making the audience wait /= building suspense

The whole project was pretty misbegotten, imo. Good cast, good setting, but just falls flat for lack of substance and suspense. This and Django are his worst scripts.

I wish I'd been able to bring a book during the screening.

This movie is all cover, no book.

I mean, its def in the lower half of Tarantino flicks, and easily his weakest on dialogue; but there was some really beautiful parts and hilarious violence. The whole time I was think it wasn't as good as Dead Man tho

― poorzingis (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 4, 2016 12:37 PM (eight years ago) bookmarkflaglink

I rewatched this via the Netflix Extended Version and now think it might be in the upper half

Did it feel like a different movie? Was there a lot of added material?

I don't remember exactly how they are different but I do know I liked the extended version more, at least because it broke the film into more digestible chunks

Given Tarantino's love for physical media, it's kinda wild to me that Netflix is the only way to see the extended version of this.

I think it's mostly just more yapping.